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Autocar have photos and a road test with the new 111S and from what they wrote seems pretty fast.
Is it just me or is the launch these new Elise models becoming a non-event?
The pricing of the new the 111S seems completely bizarre, it's priced cheaper than the 135 and the same price as the basic 120 bhp + pack??
Is it just me or is the launch these new Elise models becoming a non-event?
The pricing of the new the 111S seems completely bizarre, it's priced cheaper than the 135 and the same price as the basic 120 bhp + pack??
Autocar did also point out that with a pack and the hard top the overall price was well over £30k!!!!
So you could get a brand new TVR Tamora for only £6k more and a new basic boxster for the same money. I'm sorry but the pricing is ludicrous for the car you are getting. Hey, why not just buy a Civic Type-R and a Mini Cooper S instead?
So you could get a brand new TVR Tamora for only £6k more and a new basic boxster for the same money. I'm sorry but the pricing is ludicrous for the car you are getting. Hey, why not just buy a Civic Type-R and a Mini Cooper S instead?
Sorry, but there is no way on earth a Civic Type R would ever beat a properly driven S2 around any circuit. It would probably beat it mid range in a straight line, but under brakes and cornering it simply doesn't get close. But then again it shouldn't either. The Elise is designed from the ground up to focus specifically handling and track work. The CTR is a brilliant car but it's not a track car.
Bonce I agree wholeheartedly, maybe the other Elise drivers weren't as good as the driver in the CTR. All I want to get over is that on that particular day the CTR was faster on that track than all the Elises were. Why do some people find this difficult to believe?!
Goodwood itself is extremely fast and does suit higher powered cars so that might explain it. On a twistier track I'm sure an Elise would have the advantage through it's lighter weight, but it would still prove to be an interesting comparison.
One thing I don't like is when people dismiss a car because "it's not a proper sports car" "it isn't real wheel drive" "it looks like a shopping cart". I sensed a degree of this when the CTR lined up in the pits with 340Rs and new Elise S2s, alot of people dismissed it there and then. Needless to say there was many a red face when it came after it's first session, including mine!
Goodwood itself is extremely fast and does suit higher powered cars so that might explain it. On a twistier track I'm sure an Elise would have the advantage through it's lighter weight, but it would still prove to be an interesting comparison.
One thing I don't like is when people dismiss a car because "it's not a proper sports car" "it isn't real wheel drive" "it looks like a shopping cart". I sensed a degree of this when the CTR lined up in the pits with 340Rs and new Elise S2s, alot of people dismissed it there and then. Needless to say there was many a red face when it came after it's first session, including mine!
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Why do some people find this difficult to believe?!
probably because the elise is a very track biased car, the CTR aint. It has a far higher centre of gravity, and NO WAY could it maintain anything like an elise lateral G because of this (basic laws of physics!) also I guses cos basic elises embarass all sortf of things (most Tivs for starters) on tracks simply cos reduced weight, later braking, faster corner speeds. etc.... It's very unusual I would think of a standard 'hot hatch' to make this big an impression...especially after watching that 111s follow the F40 vid.....
doesn't mean people dismiss it - I certainly wouldn't - just unusual I think you'd agree
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Bonce I agree wholeheartedly, maybe the other Elise drivers weren't as good as the driver in the CTR. All I want to get over is that on that particular day the CTR was faster on that track than all the Elises were. Why do some people find this difficult to believe?!
because it proves nothing.
i have overtaken a 355 in my 10yo civic on an airfield day. that proves nothing either.
i would not be surprised if i even managed to lap a track faster in a CTR than an Elise. but that would only prove i knew how to drive FWD better than RWD.
Track day annecdotes like you have quoted rarely (if ever) prove anything about which car is better than which.
An Elise would certainly beet a ctr its way faster.The basic Elise would rip it in the wet or the dry.There is no possible way that a CTR could Do it Its FF and the Elise is MR .You must be imagining things!
The Pricing seems funny to me as well but thats Lotus
The New 111s seems good Except for the new alloys.
Hungryjim@aol.com
The Pricing seems funny to me as well but thats Lotus
The New 111s seems good Except for the new alloys.
Hungryjim@aol.com
Too add my 2ps worth. Take a look at the N'ring times here: http://bmwdeler.no/nordschleife.html
The Exige with more bhp than the Elise is 5 secs quicker than the CTR. I would have guessed the lower powered Elises would be slower than the Civic.
Get my CTR next month
The Exige with more bhp than the Elise is 5 secs quicker than the CTR. I would have guessed the lower powered Elises would be slower than the Civic.
Get my CTR next month
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