Red hose replacement tips requested
Discussion
Hey guys,
As it turns out, my 1998 S1 still has the dreaded red hose hydraulic clutch hose. Now, I already ordered and received the braided hose. As it was not covered and to prevent it from rattling and/or chafing on any alloy chassis member, I put some transparent shrink hose on it.
Now, I am scheduling to do the exchange somewhere in the next few days, depending the weather. I've been looking on the I-net, but have not found any instructions on how to proceed. I did check-out the routing of the hose and it seems straight-forward.
Some questions do arise:
- Can I simply remove the fuel tank bay shear panel to reach inside the sil cover to guide the new braided hose? Or does the tank drop out if I remove the panel? P.s. I have not yet replaced the missing engine bay tray, so thats not obstructing anything.
- I understand I have to remove the Stack head unit and some of the dashboard covering. How do I do this? Or is is pretty straight forward after I have removed the stack-screws?
I already talked a bit to Elise-shop Yvo, And he gave me the tip to disconnect, drain and then cut off the end of the red hose from the master cylinder side. Then insert an electric wire inside the hose and push until it pops out an the other end of the hose. Then pull the red hose from the car, carefully guiding it along the sil. Next, I firmly hook-up the braided hose to the electrical wire and pull the lot through the car, again guiding it.
Do any of you guys have any tips for this job? Maybe I've overlooked a picture instructions on the internet? Any tips would be highly appreciated.
As it turns out, my 1998 S1 still has the dreaded red hose hydraulic clutch hose. Now, I already ordered and received the braided hose. As it was not covered and to prevent it from rattling and/or chafing on any alloy chassis member, I put some transparent shrink hose on it.
Now, I am scheduling to do the exchange somewhere in the next few days, depending the weather. I've been looking on the I-net, but have not found any instructions on how to proceed. I did check-out the routing of the hose and it seems straight-forward.
Some questions do arise:
- Can I simply remove the fuel tank bay shear panel to reach inside the sil cover to guide the new braided hose? Or does the tank drop out if I remove the panel? P.s. I have not yet replaced the missing engine bay tray, so thats not obstructing anything.
- I understand I have to remove the Stack head unit and some of the dashboard covering. How do I do this? Or is is pretty straight forward after I have removed the stack-screws?
I already talked a bit to Elise-shop Yvo, And he gave me the tip to disconnect, drain and then cut off the end of the red hose from the master cylinder side. Then insert an electric wire inside the hose and push until it pops out an the other end of the hose. Then pull the red hose from the car, carefully guiding it along the sil. Next, I firmly hook-up the braided hose to the electrical wire and pull the lot through the car, again guiding it.
Do any of you guys have any tips for this job? Maybe I've overlooked a picture instructions on the internet? Any tips would be highly appreciated.
Well tipper, thanx for your comment. I did get the pipe from Elise-shop.com. No instructions.
Further more, I also searched this forum and Seloc (keywords red hose, red pipe, clutch pipe) but to no avail. Could you point me to the posting you refer to? It sounds like what I was looking for...
Further more, I also searched this forum and Seloc (keywords red hose, red pipe, clutch pipe) but to no avail. Could you point me to the posting you refer to? It sounds like what I was looking for...
Well, I gathered all my never and started the task yesterday morning. I prepared by:
- buying the ss replacement hose. No instructions were included, but on calling elise-shop I got the whole story first hand.
- As the ss hose was coarse on the outside, I also bought 4m of transparent shrink hose. After covering the ss hose with the shrink hose, it is now no longer like a file when it lays in the aluminum/GRP sil.
- I read the docs on the seloc link.
So, I set off to work. I followed the instructions I had read, but still it was a bit nerve=wracking when I had to cut both couplings from the red hose to feed in and take out the electrical wire. But, I was real happy when, after tedious wiggling about, the red hose was pulled all the way out and the new ss hose showed itself. Success!
And after assembling the lot (hooking up the hose, filling and bleeding it, remount the dash and Stack-unit) took a feel to the pedal. Wow; no more sponginess. And, after sorting the quick-shift gear lever which had worked itself loose and adjusting the linkage, now the gear change is as it should: fast, crisp, with great feel. Lots of fun with the test drive! I did however take some more time than the four hours mentioned on Seloc. And also, I found a total of 7 tie-rips: two cuttable for the interior of the car, three from the underside of the carr and 2 came along with the red hose and the neoprene covering.
So, the first serious job on the Elise was successful.
Just to make sure everything is as it should be, I intend to also get the slave-cilinder support bracket as is commonly sold. However, I would prefer an alu-version or at least ss. The ones I see on sale appear only painted mild steel. Anyone got a drawing/sketch with dimensions of the bracket or a picture of it installed on the car?
Thanx for the tips you guys!
ps did find some strange extra electrical connectors in the dashboard, but I will put that in a different topic...
- buying the ss replacement hose. No instructions were included, but on calling elise-shop I got the whole story first hand.
- As the ss hose was coarse on the outside, I also bought 4m of transparent shrink hose. After covering the ss hose with the shrink hose, it is now no longer like a file when it lays in the aluminum/GRP sil.
- I read the docs on the seloc link.
So, I set off to work. I followed the instructions I had read, but still it was a bit nerve=wracking when I had to cut both couplings from the red hose to feed in and take out the electrical wire. But, I was real happy when, after tedious wiggling about, the red hose was pulled all the way out and the new ss hose showed itself. Success!
And after assembling the lot (hooking up the hose, filling and bleeding it, remount the dash and Stack-unit) took a feel to the pedal. Wow; no more sponginess. And, after sorting the quick-shift gear lever which had worked itself loose and adjusting the linkage, now the gear change is as it should: fast, crisp, with great feel. Lots of fun with the test drive! I did however take some more time than the four hours mentioned on Seloc. And also, I found a total of 7 tie-rips: two cuttable for the interior of the car, three from the underside of the carr and 2 came along with the red hose and the neoprene covering.
So, the first serious job on the Elise was successful.
Just to make sure everything is as it should be, I intend to also get the slave-cilinder support bracket as is commonly sold. However, I would prefer an alu-version or at least ss. The ones I see on sale appear only painted mild steel. Anyone got a drawing/sketch with dimensions of the bracket or a picture of it installed on the car?
Thanx for the tips you guys!
ps did find some strange extra electrical connectors in the dashboard, but I will put that in a different topic...
The Elise Parts bracket comes with a picture of it when connected - I think you can download the fitting instructions from their site right now, if you wish (where the picture is).
I could not work out how to fit it, although mainly lack of tools to remove bolts, so took it to a respected garage on here.....the mechanic had problems, too.
I am not sure I could feel any dramatic change with it fitted, but there can be no doubt it removes flex and stress to that area. To be fair, I had it fitted with a new hose like you, and the change to the gearshift was so much better anyhow (after serious red clutch hose syndrome) I don't care whether it was the hose or bracket....or both!
So I think it is a worthwhile addition, not least if you save some cash and fit it yourself. You've already saved 150-500 quid on the hose. (Those were my quotes for the hose......a no brainer which one I took!)
I could not work out how to fit it, although mainly lack of tools to remove bolts, so took it to a respected garage on here.....the mechanic had problems, too.
I am not sure I could feel any dramatic change with it fitted, but there can be no doubt it removes flex and stress to that area. To be fair, I had it fitted with a new hose like you, and the change to the gearshift was so much better anyhow (after serious red clutch hose syndrome) I don't care whether it was the hose or bracket....or both!
So I think it is a worthwhile addition, not least if you save some cash and fit it yourself. You've already saved 150-500 quid on the hose. (Those were my quotes for the hose......a no brainer which one I took!)
Hello Jondude,
Thanx for your feed-back. I looked at the eliseshop site, but could not find the downloadable instructions. Could I ask you for a good picture, showing clearly how the bracket is mounted? In relation to the slave cylinder that is.
Would be very much appreciated.
Cheers,
Tom
Thanx for your feed-back. I looked at the eliseshop site, but could not find the downloadable instructions. Could I ask you for a good picture, showing clearly how the bracket is mounted? In relation to the slave cylinder that is.
Would be very much appreciated.
Cheers,
Tom
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