dealer remap of 2006 1.9tdi ?

[jvaughan]

My Neighbour has a 6 month old 93 1.9tdi sport estate, and has been advised there is a dealer option to change the mapping and effectivly give the car up to 50 more bhp, and 30% more torque and not invalidate the warrenty.
Living in Andover, Hampshire, I believe it is a dealer in Reading who are our closest that can do this, followed by a rolling road session to proove the car's improovment.

Can anyone confirm this ?
Are these claims real ? This would put the power output to around 190bhp from the 1.9 engine.

Jason

[aeropilot]

Yes it's true, well almost

But it's not 50hp...it's 25.

The warrantied upgrades from Saab dealers is the factory approved Hirsch upgrades.

See here for the 1.9Tid.

http://www.hirsch-performance.ch/Content.aspx?path=/Products/Leistung/E270006401 

[jvaughan]

Hmm interesting.
are there any other people that do performance upgrades (re-mapping rather than a superchip) ?

[dave_s13]

aeropilot said:

Yes it's true, well almost

But it's not 50hp...it's 25.

The warrantied upgrades from Saab dealers is the factory approved Hirsch upgrades.

See here for the 1.9Tid.

http://www.hirsch-performance.ch/Content.aspx?path=/Products/Leistung/E270006401 

£2850 for and extra 50bhp and 400 talks on an 04 aero.....excluding fitting FFS!!

Surely you'd get simlar power for less than half that using different bits of the same quality.

[aeropilot]

jvaughan said:

Hmm interesting.
are there any other people that do performance upgrades (re-mapping rather than a superchip) ?

Yes.....but only the Hirsch stuff is Saab-approved and won't affect warrenty.

So, it's depends on how much that is a priority or not.

[aeropilot]

dave_s13 said:

aeropilot said:

Yes it's true, well almost

But it's not 50hp...it's 25.

The warrantied upgrades from Saab dealers is the factory approved Hirsch upgrades.

See here for the 1.9Tid.

http://www.hirsch-performance.ch/Content.aspx?path=/Products/Leistung/E270006401 

£2850 for and extra 50bhp and 400 talks on an 04 aero.....excluding fitting FFS!!

Surely you'd get simlar power for less than half that using different bits of the same quality.

Well, actually that's debateable.

It's not just about the figures. There's warranty and other stuff as well.
The Hirsch is expensive for one big reason, and that's TUV approval which is the rings and hoops of red tape testing that has to be done on stuff offered for sale in the rest of the EU, so although we don't need TUV approved stuff here (yet) we have to unfortunately pay for it as the price of the Hirsch stuff is fixed across the market.
The other thing is that Trionic is very sophisticated and although many other tuners offer upgrades of similar or more power for what seems a lot less, the reality is they do feel like a tuned car rather than a production car which is what the Hirsch feels like and what makes them so nice to drive, as Hirsch have full access to the Trionic program.
That's fine if that's waht you want.
The cost for the 9-5 Aero is down to the hardware, intercoolers arn't cheap, as well as the S/S exhaust and bespoke intake pipe and induction parts. If you cost up similar spec parts from other tuners you actually won't be that far off the Hirsch cost's.
I wanted to go the Hirsch route on my 04 Aero, but I can't justify the big outlay in one go despite the excellence of the product.
Now my warrenty is finished I may go the aftermarket route as I can spread the cost by getting a few bits progressively, such as the intercooler, then the exhaust and finally the intake pipe/ECU recode.
The only aftermarket tuner that I feel comes closest to the power/torque delivery of the approved Hirsch is Maptun http://www.maptun.com/  whose graphs and experience of owners show a very linear smooth power delivery.