Carte Gris de Collection
Discussion
I have just realised that my 1991 Spider might be able to qualify for one of these, so I have a few questions regarding them.
1. How straightforward is the application process?
2. What differences or advantages (if any) does having a Carte Gris de Collection have over a normal Carte Gris?
3. I presume the car will still need a Control Technique but are the rules for a car with a Carte Gris de Collection différent to the normal ones?
1. How straightforward is the application process?
2. What differences or advantages (if any) does having a Carte Gris de Collection have over a normal Carte Gris?
3. I presume the car will still need a Control Technique but are the rules for a car with a Carte Gris de Collection différent to the normal ones?
That piqued my interest so I found this with my apologies for google translate!
Characteristics of a gray card "collection"
- the minimum age of the vehicle is 30 years ,
- no limit of circulation within the French territory,
- there is now a technical control every 5 years .
Collection vehicles whose entry into circulation is prior to 1 January 1960 are not subject to periodic technical inspection, even in the case of transfer.
Vehicles registered with a "collection vehicle" registration card will have the possibility of using a black-bottom plate and white numbers and the processing of the file will be maintained at the counter in the prefecture and not by correspondence or Internet as provided for in the of the new SIV ...
Registration procedure in a collection
You have a normal gray registration for this vehicle
For the transition from a normal registration card to a gray registration card, since June 2017, this operation can only be done in support of a certificate of dating issued by the constructor or by the FFVE.
You do not have the vehicle registration certificate
In the case where the vehicle does not have a registration certificate, you must request a certificate from the FFVE, the French Federation of Vintage Vehicles. This document asks you all information about the vehicle (type, energy, brand, power, type, seating, serial number, chassis number, engine number, year of release if you know it and its possible registration, ...). Once completed, this document must be sent to the FFVE, along with photocopies of your proof of ownership (sales certificate). In all cases, it is advisable to join to your request 1 check (by file) bank or postal of 50 established in the name of the FFVE + 4 stamps with the tariff letter + 2 photographs of the vehicle in the state. If it is an imported vehicle, also attach photocopy of the foreign registration document and proof of ownership. In any case, attach two pictures of the vehicle. The FFVE will return you, by mail, your certificate. This will be attached to your application for registration. For more details on the procedure, contact the FFVE.
Tariff of the procedure
- Registration of a vehicle in a collection:
identical to the price of a vehicle older than 10 years (+ 50 for the FFVE if the certificate is required).
- Passage of a normal gray card gray card collection (without change of ownership):
flat rate of tax horsepower + cost certificate FFVE + 4 euros management fee + € 2.76 for postage of the gray card (sending home).
Characteristics of a gray card "collection"
- the minimum age of the vehicle is 30 years ,
- no limit of circulation within the French territory,
- there is now a technical control every 5 years .
Collection vehicles whose entry into circulation is prior to 1 January 1960 are not subject to periodic technical inspection, even in the case of transfer.
Vehicles registered with a "collection vehicle" registration card will have the possibility of using a black-bottom plate and white numbers and the processing of the file will be maintained at the counter in the prefecture and not by correspondence or Internet as provided for in the of the new SIV ...
Registration procedure in a collection
You have a normal gray registration for this vehicle
For the transition from a normal registration card to a gray registration card, since June 2017, this operation can only be done in support of a certificate of dating issued by the constructor or by the FFVE.
You do not have the vehicle registration certificate
In the case where the vehicle does not have a registration certificate, you must request a certificate from the FFVE, the French Federation of Vintage Vehicles. This document asks you all information about the vehicle (type, energy, brand, power, type, seating, serial number, chassis number, engine number, year of release if you know it and its possible registration, ...). Once completed, this document must be sent to the FFVE, along with photocopies of your proof of ownership (sales certificate). In all cases, it is advisable to join to your request 1 check (by file) bank or postal of 50 established in the name of the FFVE + 4 stamps with the tariff letter + 2 photographs of the vehicle in the state. If it is an imported vehicle, also attach photocopy of the foreign registration document and proof of ownership. In any case, attach two pictures of the vehicle. The FFVE will return you, by mail, your certificate. This will be attached to your application for registration. For more details on the procedure, contact the FFVE.
Tariff of the procedure
- Registration of a vehicle in a collection:
identical to the price of a vehicle older than 10 years (+ 50 for the FFVE if the certificate is required).
- Passage of a normal gray card gray card collection (without change of ownership):
flat rate of tax horsepower + cost certificate FFVE + 4 euros management fee + € 2.76 for postage of the gray card (sending home).
Rules changed from 25 years to 30 years old a good few years ago.
On a side note when I took my Land Rover Lightweight for it's contrôle technique, their machine couldn't produce a certificate valid for 5 years so I now have no sticker on the windscreen and it expires in 2 years like a normal carte grise. That's fine though as I'm happy to have it checked over regularly.
On a side note when I took my Land Rover Lightweight for it's contrôle technique, their machine couldn't produce a certificate valid for 5 years so I now have no sticker on the windscreen and it expires in 2 years like a normal carte grise. That's fine though as I'm happy to have it checked over regularly.
Been through this a few times already for friends. If the car is over 30 years old it automatically qualifies for a "carte grise de collection", which give the right to a 5-yr MOT and so on. There are no longer problems of homolgation - the big bugbear in the past - and the car automatically qualifies.
Edited by lowdrag on Monday 14th January 15:04
lowdrag said:
Been through this a few times already for friends. If the car is over 3 years old it automatically qualifies for a "carte grise de collection", which give the right to a 5-yr MOT and so on. There are no longer problems of homolgation - the big bugbear in the past - and the car automatically qualifies.
30!I thought you might like the results of registering my Lynx XKSS in France. The English V5 is still an E-type 1967 2+2, so we start off on the wrong foot, but last week I had a meeting with a director of the FFVE who looked looked at all the history of the car and I have to say that there could never be someone more helpful. For example, he was happy with the letter I have from Lynx to the first owner of the car in 1987 except he pointed out that it didn't specify that it was THE car I own today. We need the continuous history. On pointing out that Lynx went bust but the person who built the car had started on his own he said that a letter from him, stating that E-type chassis x***** was transformed into an XKSS in June 1987 would suffice. Plus photos of the original V5 and then photos of the chassis plate of the car (engine, quarter front and rear front) and the cylinder head showing that the numbers corresponded. he kindly pointed out that I would not need, under Carte Grise de Collection rules, normal plates but those that corresponded with the style of the car in the day. Phew! See attached!
Moreover, he said that I should firstly send, when completed, the documents downloaded from the FFVE site to him to make sure that I had properly filled them in and then I could register them on the FFVE site. And moreover that he would give personal attention to my dossier and I would not suffer the 16 week delay shown on their site. I have downloaded the papers, have filled in what I can and have friends from the local club coming next weekend to help with the rest and then all will be submitted for verification. I can only say that, given the problems I have heard about, that the service I have had here is superb, and that I will report back later. Because, there is a sting in the tail!
Moreover, he said that I should firstly send, when completed, the documents downloaded from the FFVE site to him to make sure that I had properly filled them in and then I could register them on the FFVE site. And moreover that he would give personal attention to my dossier and I would not suffer the 16 week delay shown on their site. I have downloaded the papers, have filled in what I can and have friends from the local club coming next weekend to help with the rest and then all will be submitted for verification. I can only say that, given the problems I have heard about, that the service I have had here is superb, and that I will report back later. Because, there is a sting in the tail!
As 'lowdrag' has commented, the trick is to find your local FFVE Regional Director - You can find a list deep in the bowels of their website.
My own experience when registering the TR3a over here was straightforward enough, but painfully slow until I made contact with a FFVE Regional Director by chance, whilst at a classic car show. Within 24 hours, my application went from 'somewhere in a pile' to 'processed'!
I have recently used the same contact to help a friend register his E-type.
Like most things in life, it's 'who you know' rather than 'what you know'.
My own experience when registering the TR3a over here was straightforward enough, but painfully slow until I made contact with a FFVE Regional Director by chance, whilst at a classic car show. Within 24 hours, my application went from 'somewhere in a pile' to 'processed'!
I have recently used the same contact to help a friend register his E-type.
Like most things in life, it's 'who you know' rather than 'what you know'.
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