Documents required after Brexit

[Terryg4]

Hello
We've been having a good think about what to do in relation to Brexit.
Basically when we came , we tried to obtain a Carte de Sejour but were told that they were not required anymore due to the UK being in the EU
I believe after Brexit we have the following choices :-

1. Citizenship
2. Temporary Carte de Sejour
3. Perminant Carte de Sejour
4. New classification ??? After Brexit

Although we are going to go for Citizenship for our daughters so they retain their FOM, we will probably opt for one of the others.
Just interested on what people are doing, whether they have already applied and any tips!

Thanks
Terry

[magooagain]

We applied and got "Titre de sejour" last year.

On the card it says. Carte de sejour citoyen UE/EEE/ Suisse.

Remarques
Sejour pemanent
Tout activities professionnells.


It needs renewing every ten years but that won't involve all the paperwork that was needed for this first one.(I hope)

We are happy enough with that.

[Mike-tf3n0]

When we came to France Cartes de Sejour were obligatory for all permanent residents. When they expired, in 2008 I think, they had become optional so we didn't renew them. Last year we decided to revive them and have since been given new ones, this time the 10 year permanent version. If and when the proposed European Passport becomes a reality we shall apply for those. The thing most likely to affect retired ex pat residents is money in the form of pensions and exchange rates and since they cannot be affected by taking French Citizenship I suspect we will not go that far.

[Fatt McMissile]

Mike-tf3n0 said:

When we came to France Cartes de Sejour were obligatory for all permanent residents. When they expired, in 2008 I think, they had become optional so we didn't renew them. Last year we decided to revive them and have since been given new ones, this time the 10 year permanent version. If and when the proposed European Passport becomes a reality we shall apply for those. The thing most likely to affect retired ex pat residents is money in the form of pensions and exchange rates and since they cannot be affected by taking French Citizenship I suspect we will not go that far.

You say that you revived them, can you explain more please?

We have expired CDJs too and although we have made appointments at the prefecture to apply for permanent CDJs, if its more straightforward to revive the old ones, I'd like to do so.

[magooagain]

When at the interview at the prefectors in Anguleme I was asked if I had one previously. I said no. I had forgotten I got one back in 2002 which had run out.

Later while the lady was preparing my new carte she found my info on thier records and said that it would have been a lot quicker and easier if they had known I had one previously.

So yes declare that you have had one before.

[trunnie]

I've just been to the local Prefecture (Hauts de Seine) to apply for citizenship. Starting the process seems relatively easy, though I'm going down the route of being married to a French citizen for more than 4 years and have lived here for more than 10 years.

However, I'll hold my breath as to further requests for information/speed of progress. The nice lady at the Prefecture suggested at least 6 months. Interesting that different Prefectures seem to ask for slightly different supporting documentation.

Amusing that the UK citizenship form for foreigners and supporting documentation is way more bureaucratic than that in France, I can see why the EU demanded a simplified process as part of the separation treaty.

[Mike-tf3n0]

Revived was perhaps a misleading word to use. In the initial enquiry I said we had had C de S in the past and I was immediately asked for the numbers, this allowed them to identify us and our original application making the whole process easier for the bods in the prefecture knowing that we had been approved in the past, just a rubber stamp job!

[Fatt McMissile]

Thanks for that folks, we'll follow your advice!

[Terryg4]

Thanks for the replies everyone
Looks like a Perminant Title de sejour is the way to go.

Can someone explain the application for someone who hasn't had one before but have been in France for 15 years?

Thanks

[rdjohn]

trunnie said:

I've just been to the local Prefecture (Hauts de Seine) to apply for citizenship. Starting the process seems relatively easy, though I'm going down the route of being married to a French citizen for more than 4 years and have lived here for more than 10 years.

However, I'll hold my breath as to further requests for information/speed of progress. The nice lady at the Prefecture suggested at least 6 months. Interesting that different Prefectures seem to ask for slightly different supporting documentation.

Amusing that the UK citizenship form for foreigners and supporting documentation is way more bureaucratic than that in France, I can see why the EU demanded a simplified process as part of the separation treaty.

Our friends in Versailles first applied for citizenship a couple of weeks after the vote. Their presentation to the Mayor was just before Christmas. They were the only Brits.

We are working on the basis that “nothing is agreed, until everything is agreed”, but with what rights that have been promised to EU nationals in the UK, we are anticipating that the status quo will be broadly maintained.

There is an interesting court case in Netherlands that is going to ECJ that will determine if someone has once been a citizen of the EU, can they be stripped of their rights?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar...

Edited by rdjohn on Wednesday 4th April 11:22

Edited by rdjohn on Wednesday 4th April 12:39

[magooagain]

Terryg4 said:

Thanks for the replies everyone
Looks like a Perminant Title de sejour is the way to go.

Can someone explain the application for someone who hasn't had one before but have been in France for 15 years?

Thanks

We went onto the prefecture website and down loaded the list of everything that is needed then made appointments each with the prefecture office.

[Terryg4]

Do you do it for individuals or can we do the whole family?

Thanks
Terry

[magooagain]

There is only us two Terry so just one each. The dog is French so not needed.

[rdjohn]

magooagain said:

The dog is French so not needed.

Ah, but is he European, these details are very important.

I have to say that the Brits we met in Spain are completely chilled about this stuff.

[Terryg4]

Our dog has its own EU passport with full FOM, I could ask to be adopted Woof!

Anyway , been reading thorugh the stuff and it seems to want payslips? What happens if you are self employed?

Cheers
Terry

[paul.deitch]

I went for dual nationality. Job jobbed I hope.

[Mike-tf3n0]

What they are concerned to establish is that you will not be a financial burden on the French State and that you have genuinely been a full time resident in France for the last five years, not a holiday homer or a half and half..

I am retired so took copies of all my current bank statements, pensions, investments, all that sort of stuff, they were happy with that. Also took copies of the Assurance Maladie statements and Attestation so they could see that we are properly in the health system and likewise, copies of both French and English annual tax assessments to show we are properly sorted in that respect, copies of utility bills including water bills for the last five years as in this area these show a month by month graph which you can string together to show continuous consumption over the last five years, and also copies of my Carte Vitale and French driving licence and British passport. Just take everything you can think of which will satisfy them regarding the two points in the first sentence and anything else that might help. We took more than strictly necessary but they loved that and were smiling happily to have so much paper. We sailed in and out with no problems at all and had our C de S sorted and collected in four weeks.

[Terryg4]

Mike-tf3n0 said:

We took more than strictly necessary but they loved that and were smiling happily to have so much paper.

I did laugh , but that sounds like a plan!

Thanks

[Fatt McMissile]

I can't find any reference either departmental or national to an application form (séjour permanent), does anyone remember completing one in advance? if so does anyone have a link please? Thanks.

[Mike-tf3n0]

Struggling to remember. I think we called in at the Prefecture where they gave us a list of documents required and a form to complete and email to get the first appointment. It's probably different everywhere so my advice would be visit the Prefecture and ask the question.