Classis carte grise

[penryar]

Does anyone have any information or a link about what the classic carte grise covers?

I was under the impression that once on a classic carte grise a car needs a once only CT but is then only allowed to be driven within the department it is registered in, plus neighbouring depts. Is this correct, or is there more to it?

Cheers.

[Cunning Punt]

The above was correct until 2009.

Current rules :

• Car must be at least 30 years old
• Fresh CT for registration, then every 5 years subsequently
• No restrictions on driving in any département
• Is allowed silver-on-black plates without the Euro/regional logos; numbers use SIV format (AB-123-CD)
• (F) sticker required when leaving French territory

If the car hasn't already been registered in France, it'll also need an attestation from the FFVE (which implies no mods) : €50.

If it's already registered in France, it'll cost whatever the local price is for 1 symbolic fiscal horsepower (about €35-40 depending on the département) + €6,50 admin costs.

Once it's registered as a collection it can't go back to normal, except by going through SVA.

Info here and here

Hope that helps,

'punt

[penryar]

Cheers for all of that. Clears up pretty much everything. The car I'm looking at is already French registered and over 30 years old which makes it eligible.

[BingoBob]

Can't get any clearer than that!

Also with the mention "véhicule de collection" on the carte grise you only need to get the car inspected every 5 years and it's an easier going one at that.

[Le Pop]

Cunning Punt said:

...excellent details...

Great post 'punt, very clear.

I have one question though... my classic was CT'd when I brought it over in Summer 2010 and the CT sticker says it needs re-testing after 2 years. Is this wrong then? Should I just ignore it and leave it until 2015?

[majordad]

I bought a 1972 Porsche 911 in 2001 in France and have had it here in Ireland on the road, taxed , Irish Registered etc.

How difficult would it be for me to sell it back to France, would it get the old number back, would there be tax/duty and any other advice please.

[Cunning Punt]

Le Pop said:

my classic was CT'd when I brought it over in Summer 2010 and the CT sticker says it needs re-testing after 2 years. Is this wrong then?

It's wrong, but not uncommon.

The rules changed in 2009, but in 2010 many test centre computer systems still hadn't been updated to print a date beyond 2 years ahead. The centre should have given you a certificate explaining this, and giving the correct date for the next CT in 2015. If you didn't get such a certificate, you could try asking the test centre for it now, but I think they'll say they're no longer allowed to issue certificates because their systems are now updated.

Kafka-esque, I know

Best advice I can give is: go to the préfecture with your CT, Carte Grise (which definitely does say véhicule de collection on it, I hope) and a print-out of this. Explain the mistake, point out Article 3 of the Arrêté, and ask them to update your Carte Grise and sort you out with the correct sticker. If they refuse, try another préfecture or go back the next day. Should get sorted eventually.

If it really doesn't wash, then I'd say it's probably best to bite the bullet and have the CT in 2012. Annoying, but not as annoying as having to argue your way out of the potential €135 fine (and possible impounding), for having an expired CT which actually isn't. And at least then you'll be clear until 2017.

majordad said:

I bought a 1972 Porsche 911 in 2001 in France and have had it here in Ireland on the road, taxed , Irish Registered etc.

How difficult would it be for me to sell it back to France, would it get the old number back, would there be tax/duty and any other advice please.

Not difficult to export back to France provided it hasn't been modded.

I'm afraid it won't get its old number back.

No import duty on secondhand vehicles over 6 months old.

There will almost certainly be a "first French registration" tax (even though it isn't its first French registration...I know, I know ) based on horsepower.

Are you looking to sell it to someone in France, or move back to France with it?

'punt

[BingoBob]

Le Pop said:

I have one question though... my classic was CT'd when I brought it over in Summer 2010 and the CT sticker says it needs re-testing after 2 years. Is this wrong then? Should I just ignore it and leave it until 2015?

Don't ignore it, it's not wrong. When you send off your carte grise to get the mention "collection" on it, the CT must be within its 2 years validity. The prefecture will send you back your new carte grise with the mention on it and the original next inspection date. It's only when you do you next CT (so the first one after the modification of the CG) that the 5 year periods starts. The person you bought if from must have recently got the mention on the CG hence the normal 2 year reinspection date. Plus, if he had respected the law then he will have sold it to you with a CT less than 6 months old. So you can wait 18 months or so and do a CT or do what I did and went for another CT immediately after receiving the CG so now I don't have to to another one until 2017.

[majordad]

Thanks Cp for the info. I would sell it to France or Europe. As for modded, it had mods when I bought it from France 11 yrs ago, 300 more cc s, allow arms, rs arches and a duck tail. Would these cause a problem ?

[emss]

Hello,

A general rule of thumb is that a vehicule that has been modified and is then no longer conform to its conformity certificate (EEC or national) can't be registered.

IRL, I know many cars (Elises and Cats) with modded or even swapped engines, modded brakes and suspensions that never went through the SVA equivalent in France (the RTI is a real nightmare, the same car can pass in a DRIRE and not in another, worse it can even depend on the inspector in the same DRIRE). The drawback is that serious legal problems can arise in case of accident, especially if someone is injured.

HTH,

Éric Masson (France)