I wonder how many of us would have the guts...

[Kermit power]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7965275.stm

The story of Arthur West, who as a passenger on the Titanic climbed down a rope to one of the lifeboats, gave his wife a flask of hot milk for their baby daughters, then climbed back up onto the deck to his death.

OK, so he was just one of many, and doubtless many others had similar stories, but to actually be in the safety of a lifeboat with your family, and still go back? Not sure I'd have had the courage to do that.

[james_tigerwoods]

In the heat of the moment - can any of us say that we would?

[Beefmeister]

So, following this guys brave and heroic actions, to save his family, him and his wife and the children are now dead. Obviously, time goes on and all that.

One would assume these 'artefacts' have been passed down to a relative, yes?

Who goes and f***ing sells them in an auction.

Family heirlooms? Pride in your family? Repsect? Naa, f**k it, i might be able to buy a Porsche....

[him_over_there]

james_tigerwoods said:

In the heat of the moment - can any of us say that we would?

You would just wait on-board for a passing ambiwlans.

Edit to correct my mong spelling.

Edited by him_over_there on Thursday 26th March 15:27

[james_tigerwoods]

him_over_there said:

james_tigerwoods said:

In the heat of the moment - can any of us say that we would?

You would just wait on-board for a passing abiwlans.

At least spell it right.

'tard

Edited by james_tigerwoods on Thursday 26th March 15:26

[Beefmeister]

As for the 'would I?' question... hmmmmm...

I have major ethical headaches when it comes to questions like this. If it's between me and a woman of similar age - hell no. I'm sorry, but why should someone else live instead of me, the only difference being our gender.

Should a baby live instead of me? Probably yes, but part of my brain says "hell, its not lived, so it wouldn't know what it's missing. I'm 31 and i've still got a lot of life to live and dreams to fulfill".

Am i gonna burn in hell? Probably.

[DamoLLb]

I wouldn't do it. No way. I would consider my family as one unit and would do everything in my power to ensure it stayed as complete as possible.

[G'kar]

james_tigerwoods said:

'tard

WTF is a tard?

Dumbing down gone mad again.

[him_over_there]

Beefmeister said:

As for the 'would I?' question... hmmmmm...

I have major ethical headaches when it comes to questions like this. If it's between me and a woman of similar age - hell no. I'm sorry, but why should someone else live instead of me, the only difference being our gender.

Should a baby live instead of me? Probably yes, but part of my brain says "hell, its not lived, so it wouldn't know what it's missing. I'm 31 and i've still got a lot of life to live and dreams to fulfill".

Am i gonna burn in hell? Probably.

I don't get the woman first argument either. It's not like we are short of the baby making factories.

[james_tigerwoods]

G'kar said:

james_tigerwoods said:

'tard

WTF is a tard?

Dumbing down gone mad again.

Goodness me, keep up - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Second post

Edited by james_tigerwoods on Thursday 26th March 15:30

[jammy_basturd]

Beefmeister said:

So, following this guys brave and heroic actions, to save his family, him and his wife and the children are now dead. Obviously, time goes on and all that.

One would assume these 'artefacts' have been passed down to a relative, yes?

Who goes and f***ing sells them in an auction.

Family heirlooms? Pride in your family? Repsect? Naa, f**k it, i might be able to buy a Porsche....

Or someone might be in such a desperate situation that they are trying to save their family from being homeless? And maybe they are thinking the memories are better than possessions?

[G'kar]

james_tigerwoods said:

G'kar said:

james_tigerwoods said:

'tard

WTF is a tard?

Dumbing down gone mad again.

Goodness me, keep up - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Second post

Edited by james_tigerwoods on Thursday 26th March 15:30

Wooosh.

You must be fking tired of ducking by now.

[james_tigerwoods]

G'kar said:

james_tigerwoods said:

G'kar said:

james_tigerwoods said:

'tard

WTF is a tard?

Dumbing down gone mad again.

Goodness me, keep up - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Second post

Wooosh.

You must be fking tired of ducking by now.

Meh, I'm immune to it - I just laugh when it pops up these days....

[Kermit power]

Beefmeister said:

So, following this guys brave and heroic actions, to save his family, him and his wife and the children are now dead. Obviously, time goes on and all that.

One would assume these 'artefacts' have been passed down to a relative, yes?

Who goes and f***ing sells them in an auction.

Family heirlooms? Pride in your family? Repsect? Naa, f**k it, i might be able to buy a Porsche....

That bit, I do understand. If I ever did anything heroic which magically bestowed huge value upon intrinsically worthless items like these, I'd rather my grandchildren cashed in an had the deposit to buy a house or whatever rather than just looking at the nice flask on the shelf.

[randomman]

Red in a paper this morning that a turkis man hid under the dresses of the women so they could get a place on the boat.

Surprisingly the women didn't mind - until he lit a fag!

[OzzyR1]

Beefmeister said:

So, following this guys brave and heroic actions, to save his family, him and his wife and the children are now dead. Obviously, time goes on and all that.

One would assume these 'artefacts' have been passed down to a relative, yes?

Who goes and f***ing sells them in an auction.

Family heirlooms? Pride in your family? Repsect? Naa, f**k it, i might be able to buy a Porsche....

Mmmm, on the other hand the relatives may have just lost their jobs due to the ecomonic shstorm and need to pay their mortgage before they lose the house and to put a bit of food on the table for the kids...

Pistonheads: Generalisations Matter






Probably want a Porsche though

[Baldinho]

[quote=Kermit power]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7965275.stm

The story of Arthur West, who as a passenger on the Titanic climbed down a rope to one of the lifeboats, gave his wife a flask of hot milk for their baby daughters, then climbed back up onto the deck to his death.

quote]

Wouldn't be an issue for me, I'm too unfit to climb back up

[Beefmeister]

OzzyR1 said:

Beefmeister said:

So, following this guys brave and heroic actions, to save his family, him and his wife and the children are now dead. Obviously, time goes on and all that.

One would assume these 'artefacts' have been passed down to a relative, yes?

Who goes and f***ing sells them in an auction.

Family heirlooms? Pride in your family? Repsect? Naa, f**k it, i might be able to buy a Porsche....

Mmmm, on the other hand the relatives may have just lost their jobs due to the ecomonic shstorm and need to pay their mortgage before they lose the house and to put a bit of food on the table for the kids...

Pistonheads: Generalisations Matter






Probably want a Porsche though

Fair point - i was having a bit of a sh*t day when i wrote that.

There are always reasons why people do this sort of thing, and a lot of the time they are honourable.

[Jasandjules]

Kermit power said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7965275.stm

The story of Arthur West, who as a passenger on the Titanic climbed down a rope to one of the lifeboats, gave his wife a flask of hot milk for their baby daughters, then climbed back up onto the deck to his death.

OK, so he was just one of many, and doubtless many others had similar stories, but to actually be in the safety of a lifeboat with your family, and still go back? Not sure I'd have had the courage to do that.

I'd like to think I would. Better to die a hero than live a coward.

I hope his children and grandchildren are very, very proud of this man.

[Landlord]

Kermit power said:

but to actually be in the safety of a lifeboat with your family

Strictly, he wasn't. It was "women and children first", therefore he wouldn't have been expected to stay on the lifeboat as he'd be taking up space that a woman or child could have.

BBC page said:

Ada wrote that the noble actions of her husband, whom she referred to in one letter as "Dad", had not been matched by two men who had managed to sneak on to their lifeboat.

In a statement to the Board of Trade she revealed that the men had hidden under women passengers' skirts

I say that, however, merely as a point of note. What he did was incredibly selfless and truly heroic. And yes, for the sake of my wife and, moreover, children, I'm pretty confident I would do it.