Bow Tie wearing

[davido140]

I'm off to a "do" tonight, I've managed to get the bow tie done in record time (only 30 minutes!!)

I cant remember if the little wingy collar bits go over or under the tie, I'm guessting under.

Anyone confirm?

Thanks!

[youngsyr]

Mine always pop out within 5 minutes in any case, so I just wear them over. No-one has ever said anything, but then they may all be sniggering behind my back.

[davido140]

youngsyr said:

Mine always pop out within 5 minutes in any case, so I just wear them over. No-one has ever said anything, but then they may all be sniggering behind my back.

probably worse than sniggering!

I've always thought of cummerbunds as being for big fat business men and not for young trend chaps like me.

Having just checked out the finished article in the mirror it would appear I'm now a big fat business man.

Will be buying a belly hider at the station later...

[Robatr0n]

The last BTaP I went to I wore mine over only to be told by the first person I saw that they should infact be tucked in behind the tie. The very next person I saw then said "What are you doing man?! They should be OVER the bow tie!".

When I got down to the function everyone was wearing theirs differently and most people were far too drunk to care anyway.

[davido140]

Robatr0n said:

The last BTaP I went to I wore mine over only to be told by the first person I saw that they should infact be tucked in behind the tie. The very next person I saw then said "What are you doing man?! They should be OVER the bow tie!".

When I got down to the function everyone was wearing theirs differently and most people were far too drunk to care anyway.

PH pedants there in full force then!

[G'kar]

Robatr0n said:

The last BTaP I went to I wore mine over only to be told by the first person I saw that they should infact be tucked in behind the tie. The very next person I saw then said "What are you doing man?! They should be OVER the bow tie!".

When I got down to the function everyone was wearing theirs differently and most people were far too drunk to care anyway.

Drunk people? At BTaP?

I didn't see any.

[DamoLLb]

I'm Glad you have gone down the real bow tie option route. Nothing worse then the perfection of a fake!


just don't do this at the end of the evening

[G'kar]

DamoLLb said:

I'm Glad you have gone down the real bow tie option route. Nothing worse then the perfection of a fake!


just don't do this at the end of the evening

What, Blue Steel?

[Kermit power]

davido140 said:

Robatr0n said:

The last BTaP I went to I wore mine over only to be told by the first person I saw that they should infact be tucked in behind the tie. The very next person I saw then said "What are you doing man?! They should be OVER the bow tie!".

When I got down to the function everyone was wearing theirs differently and most people were far too drunk to care anyway.

PH pedants there in full force then!

All of whom, unless they told him he shouldn't be wearing a wing-collared shirt with a dinner jacket in the first place, would've been wrong.

I went in to the local "gentleman's outfitters" before BTaP '07 to get a replacement shirt with an ever so slightly larger collar, only to have the old duffer behind the counter declare snootily that wing collars were only for white tie, and if I were to dress correctly for black tie, then I should acquire a dress shirt with a normal collar.

So I went to M&S instead.

But I still bought a dress shirt with a normal collar when I got there, rather than risk the shame of having people think I couldn't afford separate dress shirts for black and white tie.

[youngsyr]

Tony Hadley (ex Spandau Ballet) performed at a Black Tie do I was at last night, he came onto stage with the bow tie undone, but hadn't even been at the meal and awards ceremony beforehand so had simply draped the bow tie around his neck before coming on stage, then presumably removed it when he got changed to go home.

[Maxf]

Kermit power said:

davido140 said:

Robatr0n said:

The last BTaP I went to I wore mine over only to be told by the first person I saw that they should infact be tucked in behind the tie. The very next person I saw then said "What are you doing man?! They should be OVER the bow tie!".

When I got down to the function everyone was wearing theirs differently and most people were far too drunk to care anyway.

PH pedants there in full force then!

All of whom, unless they told him he shouldn't be wearing a wing-collared shirt with a dinner jacket in the first place, would've been wrong.

I went in to the local "gentleman's outfitters" before BTaP '07 to get a replacement shirt with an ever so slightly larger collar, only to have the old duffer behind the counter declare snootily that wing collars were only for white tie, and if I were to dress correctly for black tie, then I should acquire a dress shirt with a normal collar.

So I went to M&S instead.

But I still bought a dress shirt with a normal collar when I got there, rather than risk the shame of having people think I couldn't afford separate dress shirts for black and white tie.

I think the normal collar dress shirts look much nicer anyway - less 'school prom'. Being a pov though I've never been to a white tie event.

[Kermit power]

DamoLLb said:

I'm Glad you have gone down the real bow tie option route. Nothing worse then the perfection of a fake!

I tried to get a real bow tie, but failed miserably. I have an 18.5" collar, and the longest tie I could find only extended to 19". Trying to tie a bow tie as a novice with only 1/2" of slack just proved way beyond my clumsy digits.

[Kermit power]

Maxf said:

I think the normal collar dress shirts look much nicer anyway - less 'school prom'. Being a pov though I've never been to a white tie event.

You think I have?

[davido140]

Kermit power said:

davido140 said:

Robatr0n said:

The last BTaP I went to I wore mine over only to be told by the first person I saw that they should infact be tucked in behind the tie. The very next person I saw then said "What are you doing man?! They should be OVER the bow tie!".

When I got down to the function everyone was wearing theirs differently and most people were far too drunk to care anyway.

PH pedants there in full force then!

All of whom, unless they told him he shouldn't be wearing a wing-collared shirt with a dinner jacket in the first place, would've been wrong.

I went in to the local "gentleman's outfitters" before BTaP '07 to get a replacement shirt with an ever so slightly larger collar, only to have the old duffer behind the counter declare snootily that wing collars were only for white tie, and if I were to dress correctly for black tie, then I should acquire a dress shirt with a normal collar.

So I went to M&S instead.

But I still bought a dress shirt with a normal collar when I got there, rather than risk the shame of having people think I couldn't afford separate dress shirts for black and white tie.

and that snooty chap was quite right too, I've been doing some reading on the history and etiquette of black tie etc.

And certainly in England wings are for white tie, not so in north america, where they are perfectly acceptable!

[davido140]

DamoLLb said:

I'm Glad you have gone down the real bow tie option route. Nothing worse then the perfection of a fake!


just don't do this at the end of the evening

There will probably be some posh fops doings this at the bar later, is it acceptable etiquette to throttle them with thier ties?

[bigTee]

wings are for white ties

[youngsyr]

davido140 said:

DamoLLb said:

I'm Glad you have gone down the real bow tie option route. Nothing worse then the perfection of a fake!


just don't do this at the end of the evening

There will probably be some posh fops doings this at the bar later, is it acceptable etiquette to throttle them with thier ties?

If they have removed a clip on and draped a real one around their neck after removing it from a pocket, then absolutely, yes it is.

[Kermit power]

davido140 said:

Kermit power said:

davido140 said:

Robatr0n said:

The last BTaP I went to I wore mine over only to be told by the first person I saw that they should infact be tucked in behind the tie. The very next person I saw then said "What are you doing man?! They should be OVER the bow tie!".

When I got down to the function everyone was wearing theirs differently and most people were far too drunk to care anyway.

PH pedants there in full force then!

All of whom, unless they told him he shouldn't be wearing a wing-collared shirt with a dinner jacket in the first place, would've been wrong.

I went in to the local "gentleman's outfitters" before BTaP '07 to get a replacement shirt with an ever so slightly larger collar, only to have the old duffer behind the counter declare snootily that wing collars were only for white tie, and if I were to dress correctly for black tie, then I should acquire a dress shirt with a normal collar.

So I went to M&S instead.

But I still bought a dress shirt with a normal collar when I got there, rather than risk the shame of having people think I couldn't afford separate dress shirts for black and white tie.

and that snooty chap was quite right too, I've been doing some reading on the history and etiquette of black tie etc.

And certainly in England wings are for white tie, not so in north america, where they are perfectly acceptable!

You mean to say he saved me from potentially being mistaken for an American, and I didn't thank him?

This error must be rectified forthwith!

[Threeracers]

Normal collar for black tie, never remove your jacket and do not undo you tie at any point in the evening (it always looks like the wearer is just trying to tell everyone its a real tie!).

Mark

[G'kar]

davido140 said:

posh fops

I'm not sure I'm comfortable with your tone. Are you saying this like it's a bad thing?