where WILL it STOP !!!

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discusdave

Original Poster:

412 posts

200 months

Monday 23rd March 2009
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tank

a doctor has been done now
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/4220815.Doctor_sus...

Edited by discusdave on Monday 23 March 23:50

The Nur

9,168 posts

192 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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Theres no room for that sort of behaviour in the workplace, regardless of occupation.

Its unacceptable, nobody deserves to be treated like that, regardless of race/whatever.

AJS-

15,366 posts

243 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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This is the ultimate Daily Mail nightmare. A Romanian doctor suspended on full pay for being racist towards illegal immigrants who were saving babies.

Where will it end?!

The Nur

9,168 posts

192 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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I misread part of the article, but I stand by my point, her employers are taking the right course of action by punishing her.

It doesn't matter who it is, if someone chooses to be a racist bellend at work they should face the consequences

(quite odd circumstances in this one though, with the romanian/white, chinese/asian thing going on. It's not your usual race row)


Neil_H

15,347 posts

258 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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Having been unfortunate enough to have work with a Romanian guy, I can only say that their attitudes towards black and asian people are questionable at best.

AJS-

15,366 posts

243 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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Neil_H said:
Having been unfortunate enough to have work with a Romanian guy, I can only say that their attitudes towards black and asian people are questionable at best.
Those crazy free thinking Romanians, speak first and carefully choose their words so as not to offend a totalitarian government later.

Neil_H

15,347 posts

258 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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AJS- said:
Neil_H said:
Having been unfortunate enough to have work with a Romanian guy, I can only say that their attitudes towards black and asian people are questionable at best.
Those crazy free thinking Romanians, speak first and carefully choose their words so as not to offend a totalitarian government later.
No, you have no idea. References to monkeys etc is plain offensive, and that's exactly the kind of thing this guy I worked with would spout. A truly repugnant individual.

AJS-

15,366 posts

243 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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Neil_H said:
AJS- said:
Neil_H said:
Having been unfortunate enough to have work with a Romanian guy, I can only say that their attitudes towards black and asian people are questionable at best.
Those crazy free thinking Romanians, speak first and carefully choose their words so as not to offend a totalitarian government later.
No, you have no idea. References to monkeys etc is plain offensive, and that's exactly the kind of thing this guy I worked with would spout. A truly repugnant individual.
I don't doubt it, but is that a reason to sack a good doctor who treats most of his patients well?

More to the point of my previous post though, until 1990 or so, Romania was known as the most authoritarian, intrusive and ideologically rigid single party state of the eastern bloc. It is some what alarming that people brought up in that environment now speak thier mind in a way which costs them their (valuable) job in the "free" west.

I'm not saying it's ok to be openly racist at all. I just don't think you should sack someone for their privately expressed beliefs in a free country, and the fact that this person is from what was, until relatively recently, one of the least free countries in the world, makes this all the more salient a point.

Colonial

13,553 posts

212 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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I think suspension was pretty acceptable in this instance. What is the issue?

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

241 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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AJS- said:
I'm not saying it's ok to be openly racist at all. I just don't think you should sack someone for their privately expressed beliefs in a free country, and the fact that this person is from what was, until relatively recently, one of the least free countries in the world, makes this all the more salient a point.
erm:

> In a dossier, where she detailed the allegations

Private you say?

Neil_H

15,347 posts

258 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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AJS- said:
Neil_H said:
AJS- said:
Neil_H said:
Having been unfortunate enough to have work with a Romanian guy, I can only say that their attitudes towards black and asian people are questionable at best.
Those crazy free thinking Romanians, speak first and carefully choose their words so as not to offend a totalitarian government later.
No, you have no idea. References to monkeys etc is plain offensive, and that's exactly the kind of thing this guy I worked with would spout. A truly repugnant individual.
I don't doubt it, but is that a reason to sack a good doctor who treats most of his patients well?

More to the point of my previous post though, until 1990 or so, Romania was known as the most authoritarian, intrusive and ideologically rigid single party state of the eastern bloc. It is some what alarming that people brought up in that environment now speak thier mind in a way which costs them their (valuable) job in the "free" west.

I'm not saying it's ok to be openly racist at all. I just don't think you should sack someone for their privately expressed beliefs in a free country, and the fact that this person is from what was, until relatively recently, one of the least free countries in the world, makes this all the more salient a point.
This person made those comments in a letter of complaint - I think all this shows is how ignorant some people can be, to not even know when they're being hideously racist/ offensive. Bang to rights if you ask me, especially being a doctor. She should have known better.

AJS-

15,366 posts

243 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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Again though, was she failing to treat sick people or was she simply not saying the things that we expect a doctor should say? I'm not sticking up for her, she might be a complete loon for all I know and almost certainly used very inappropriate language for the circumstances in which she found herself. But I still find re-education and diversity awareness a bit 1984

mark_davies

160 posts

189 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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fkin Romanians whats next , will they bomb our train stations ?

Before anyone gets all touchy they should know i speak a bit of romanian and gf for 8yrs is actually from theere, now the free country and btw she hasnt seen a black person till she was in Frnce



Edited by mark_davies on Tuesday 24th March 00:55

smifffymoto

4,771 posts

212 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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I'm sick of all this racism st.No matter what your skin colour or religion or whatever,IF you're acting or behaving like a tt ,you're being a tt and nothing changes that

spydersingh

698 posts

222 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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Racism and the medical profession is a funny thing. Bit off topic, had a local runt give me the "chat" ie "turbanator etc" Ignored and didn't think much of it. Karma is a beautiful thing and the said runt turned up at my surgery with tooth ache few weeks later. I'm no racist but his face actually turned a paler shade of white when the penny dropped who I was. I had never had so much fun giving someone an injection that day!

Back to topic, the medical profession/healthcare environment has enough problems with ego's and hierarchy, add racism to the mix and it can get very messy. Seeing some the international docs working in the UK can be scary to say the least as medicine is one thing, UK Culture is another. That is something no course or international qualifying exam can give you. Treating and managing a "UK/British" patient can be a very different proposal to dealing those from elsewhere. With any Journalism, must take a pinch of salt but if she was like this with her "colleagues," what would she be like with a non white/coloured patient?

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

238 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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The Nur said:
Theres no room for that sort of behaviour in the workplace, regardless of occupation.

Its unacceptable, nobody deserves to be treated like that, regardless of race/whatever.
Asians do tend to think of other races as barbarians. The rub is that they do it while enjoying a nation set up by those very barbarians while leaving one begun by their own kind. Somebody please explain the logic in that. If the Romanian was wrong, on the other hand, and the story trumped up, then shame on her!
Anyway, if you are going to live in a free country, express your opinion as you see fit....as long as it doesn't offend Islam.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 24th March 02:04

Urban_Ninja

1,885 posts

196 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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to quote.

Now I mean no offence here, But you can change, you are a , you've always BEEN a , and the only thing that will change is that you will be a bigger .

agreed with above post saying that nomatter where you are from, if your a prick, doesnt matter what colour you are, your still a prick.


+10 points if anyone can guess what I quoted there :P

Edited by Urban_Ninja on Tuesday 24th March 04:16

thehawk

9,335 posts

214 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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It's a very hard situation really, one which we will see a lot more of in the future.

The big problem is that Asians can act like the ones in the article and there is absolutely no comeback or criticism of them. They can build empires, 'Asianise' a place, make white people feel ostracised and all the time hide behind the masks of religion and culture.

The fact is a lot of Asian males do hold the opinion that there is little difference between an educated female and a donkey - but what can you do about that? It's far more insidious that an emotional outburst of potentially racist invective.

She has acted inappropriately but I think more out of frustration. It's like when you know you are right but get emotional about it and you end up looking like the bad person, or like the police being called to a domestic, it's the husband that is automatically assumed to be in the wrong.


marvelharvey

1,869 posts

257 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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spydersingh said:
Racism and the medical profession is a funny thing. Bit off topic, had a local runt give me the "chat" ie "turbanator etc" Ignored and didn't think much of it. Karma is a beautiful thing and the said runt turned up at my surgery with tooth ache few weeks later. I'm no racist but his face actually turned a paler shade of white when the penny dropped who I was. I had never had so much fun giving someone an injection that day!
I hope that just before you injected, you paused, and asked "Is it safe?"

Urban_Ninja

1,885 posts

196 months

Tuesday 24th March 2009
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is it safe?

is it secret?

:getmycoat: