Yay! Go David... you great knob!

[Strangely Brown]

How to alienate your core voters in one fell swoop. The man is a complete idiot and is going to throw away the advantage that Winky Mcfknut has handed him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

[G'kar]

Don't be a tt.

He's not raising anything - these changes are already going to happen.

Those affected will pay and will be happy to get rid of Broon.

The braying moronic proles will think he's punishing the bankers.

Edited by G'kar on Thursday 19th March 22:02

[mouseymousey]

Strangely Brown said:

How to alienate your core voters in one fell swoop. The man is a complete idiot and is going to throw away the advantage that Winky Mcfknut has handed him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

Maybe the core voters will appreciate a bit of perceived honesty instead of him promising tax cuts that clearly no-one could deliver given the mess Labour have got us into?

[Six Fiend]

I watched his interview and thought he talked sense.

[Strangely Brown]

Nice opening. Back at ya!

Why the fk should people that work to earn a decent wage bear the brunt of bailing the country out of the st created by the braying moronic proles who were in no small part responsible for the fking mess living on endless credit in the first place?

[GreigM]

Six Fiend said:

I watched his interview and thought he talked sense.

yes, sounds to me like he's telling it like it is - Gordo f*cked us all and he's not going to promise unrealistic miracles.....quite refreshing in politics...

[NiceCupOfTea]

He's right though. The only way to get out of the huge hole the idiotic labour government has dig us into is for taxation to remain high and slash goverment spending

He's our best hope at the moment, but it will take years to repair the damage...

Pathetic that the best the quoted labour sycophant can come up with is whining about inheritance tax "it's so unfair that people have earned money and been taxed on it, we need to tax it some more!"

[anonymous-user]

Strangely Brown said:

Nice opening. Back at ya!

Why the fk should people that work to earn a decent wage bear the brunt of bailing the country out of the st created by the braying moronic proles who were in no small part responsible for the fking mess living on endless credit in the first place?

In fairness, the people that leant them the money were none too bright either.

[ozzerr]

Yes all good in saying so but will he deliver,doubt it very much.

[Fittster]

I don't see any commitment to cut back public spending.

[Fittster]

NiceCupOfTea said:

He's right though. The only way to get out of the huge hole the idiotic labour government has dig us into is for taxation to remain high and slash goverment spending

He's our best hope at the moment, but it will take years to repair the damage...

And where is the promise to slash government spending? He appears to want to leave the size of the state unchanged. So big government and high taxes, what exactly is the point of swapping red for blue?

[Strangely Brown]

Symbolica said:

Strangely Brown said:

Nice opening. Back at ya!

Why the fk should people that work to earn a decent wage bear the brunt of bailing the country out of the st created by the braying moronic proles who were in no small part responsible for the fking mess living on endless credit in the first place?

In fairness, the people that leant them the money were none too bright either.

I agree, wholeheartedly, but why should only the "rich" pay the price in higher tax to fix the mess caused primarily by the feckless.

A bot of honesty in politics is good but it would be even better if he had said that there will be no more free rides for the council dwelling, debt ridden scum. You accrue debt... you WORK it off, not write it off.

[NiceCupOfTea]

Strangely Brown said:

Nice opening. Back at ya!

Why the fk should people that work to earn a decent wage bear the brunt of bailing the country out of the st created by the braying moronic proles who were in no small part responsible for the fking mess living on endless credit in the first place?

I agree - why indeed should we? But the money has to come from somewhere... we can't get the quangos and benefit scroungers to hand it back!

[Sheets Tabuer]

Was it only people on council estates that borrowed money?

Half the people at my last IT company had new cars on the tick and they certainly were not council types.

Carry on though, never let reality get in the way of a good rant I say.

[Simpo Two]

He's certainly not much of an Opposition - he spends more time agreeing with the Govt than attacking them. Think back to 1997 - Blair won because he spent years mercilessly kicking helpless Major.

Cameron could yet snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - but UK plc is screwed now anyway; I don't think it can be rebuilt.

[NiceCupOfTea]

Fittster said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

He's right though. The only way to get out of the huge hole the idiotic labour government has dig us into is for taxation to remain high and slash goverment spending

He's our best hope at the moment, but it will take years to repair the damage...

And where is the promise to slash government spending? He appears to want to leave the size of the state unchanged. So big government and high taxes, what exactly is the point of swapping red for blue?

Smack bang in the middle of the article you just read!

Article said:

Instead of tax cuts, Mr Cameron promised a full-scale review of public spending to cut out waste and inefficiency, including slashing high salaries earned by "quango-crats" running public bodies.

Edited by NiceCupOfTea on Thursday 19th March 22:49

[AJS-]

He's still a nobber. Cutting taxes is not only desireable but necessary if we are going to get back to growing the economy, as indeed is cutting spending. The problem is that he's scared. So many people now work for the state that any threat of cutting spending is more of a vote loser than a vote winner.

IMO, Labour are fked and he should be going for aggressive cuts anyway. Get the core vote out, and make sweeping, aggressive cuts straight away that will have worked through to gainfully employed voters hungry for a tax cut come the next general election.

But Cameron is more of a Heath than a Thatcher. I predict a gutless and impotent Tory government that will steady the ship a bit without making any progress and only last one term. Looking at 2020 for the next opportunity to sort this mess out finally, and a decade of miserable struggle and decline inbetween.

It would be possible to cut taxes and reduce debt, you'd just have to make the tough cuts that would be unpopular, based on this:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/doc...

I'd start with abolishing

Devolved spending for Scotland £31.3 Billion
Devlolved spending for Wales £14bn
Military involvement in places we have nothing to do with £3bn
Department of Culture, Media and Sport £6.6bn
Department of Transport £17.6bn
Communities & Local Government £34.3 Billion
Department for international development £5.4bn


There's £111.9 billion in savings without touching the NHS, Education or the grotesque balloon that is benefits payments. I might have lopped off all road maintainence by closing the Department of Transport, but I bet we could increase it and still save over £100bn.

You get the picture. Lots in there to cut!

[AJS-]

That guy on Question Time just made the same point with chicken feed money compared to the cuts I just talked about. I reckon I could half government spending without cutting any essential services or leaving anyone starving.

There would be a period where benefit claims would go up as all the millions of people employed in these useless departments went to sign on, and all the companies who make their money selling overpriced tat to government have to find new customers, but once those people started producing stuff properly and paying tax, then we'd be in business.

Tessa Jowell is such a teacher.

[Timberwolf]

Alienating your core voters actually makes sense on some levels, though.

I mean, you look at how many people who, under Labour...

... Were convinced to sign for mortgages way beyond their long-term means to repay
...... Are now in a whole pit of negative equity
......... Staring down a generation's worth of national debt
............ Will never see their children go to University thanks to tuition fees
............... To cap it all, got made redundant last Thursday

... and yet, "will never, ever vote Tory so long as I may live and breathe."

Yes, they might get angry enough to go off to the BNP or some independent, but apart from one or two very isolated and unusual cases, the Big Three couldn't care less if you vote for a minority interest party, in a first-past-the-post system it's nothing more than random noise.

And that's the key. With FPTP, if it costs you two "core" votes in a rock-solid, heartland safe seat to gain just one swing voter in a marginal, close-fought constituency, then that's a trade-off well worth making.

[Fittster]

NiceCupOfTea said:

Fittster said:

NiceCupOfTea said:

He's right though. The only way to get out of the huge hole the idiotic labour government has dig us into is for taxation to remain high and slash goverment spending

He's our best hope at the moment, but it will take years to repair the damage...

And where is the promise to slash government spending? He appears to want to leave the size of the state unchanged. So big government and high taxes, what exactly is the point of swapping red for blue?

Smack bang in the middle of the article you just read!

Article said:

Instead of tax cuts, Mr Cameron promised a full-scale review of public spending to cut out waste and inefficiency, including slashing high salaries earned by "quango-crats" running public bodies.

All governments talk about reforms and efficiencies, it never happens and as for a few salary cuts, that will save a few hundred thousands. We need to save billions!

If he's going to be honest he needs to come out and say "We are broke, all departments including the NHS and Education are going to be locking at 20% cut in funding". That is the level of the problem.