Does the moon rotate on its own axis?

Does the moon rotate on its own axis?

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Fantic SuperT

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887 posts

227 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Settle an argument: It orbits the earth, but does the moon actually spin on its own axis or not?

Jasandjules

70,505 posts

236 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Yes.

sstein

6,249 posts

261 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Yes. The moon rotates.

HTH

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Stuart

Hammer67

5,886 posts

191 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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WGAF?

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

191 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Think about it.

The Moon consistently displays one face to the Earth (hence the term 'Dark side of the Moon), yet the Moon orbits the Earth.

Therefore the Moon MUST rotate about its own axis - one rotation in any 24 hr period (actually its not quite 24 hrs but I'm not getting into the definition of Solar and Sidereal days).

elanfan

5,527 posts

234 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Am I being a bit thick here -- but if the Moon rotates how come we always see the same side of it. You know the man in the moon!

blackvanman

71 posts

221 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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elanfan said:
Am I being a bit thick here -- but if the Moon rotates how come we always see the same side of it. You know the man in the moon!
this is the cool thing - because of tidal forces, the moon gets locked into this freaky thing where it takes the same time to orbit the earth as it does to spin on its own axis - hence we keep seeing the same bit!

sstein

6,249 posts

261 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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elanfan said:
Am I being a bit thick here -- but if the Moon rotates how come we always see the same side of it. You know the man in the moon!
curious_about_astronomy said:
Your question is very interesting because the answer is that, no, the Moon is not unique. Almost all moons in the Solar System keep one face pointed toward their planet. (The only exception we know of is Hyperion, a moon of Saturn.) This tells us it's probably not a coincidence, that there is probably a reason for this to happen, a physical process that happens to most moons to slow their rotation.

That process is called tidal friction. You probably know that the Moon's gravity affects the Earth's oceans. Well, the Earth's gravity also affects the Moon. It distorts the Moon's shape slightly, squashing it out so that it is elongated along a line that points toward the Earth. We say that the Earth raises "tidal bulges" on the Moon.

The Earth's gravity pulls on the closest tidal bulge, trying to keep it aligned with Earth. As the Moon turns, feeling the Earth's gravity, this creates friction within the Moon, slowing the Moon's rotation down until its rotation matches its orbital period exactly, a state we call tidal synchronization. In this state, the Moon's tidal bulge is always aligned with Earth, which means that the Moon always keeps one face toward Earth.

Other planets raise tides on their moons, too, so almost all the moons in the Solar System are tidally synchronized. There's even one planet that is sychronized to its moon! Charon, Pluto's moon, is so large and so close to Pluto that the planet and moon are both locked into the same rotational rate. The Moon slows the Earth's rotation, too, but at a very slow rate, increasing the length of the day by a couple of milliseconds each century.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?numb...

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Stuart



Edited by sstein on Tuesday 17th March 20:15

turbobloke

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267 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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elanfan said:
Am I being a bit thick here -- but if the Moon rotates how come we always see the same side of it. You know the man in the moon!
Captured rotation - the Moon rotates in closely the same time as it takes to orbit the Earth. Due to elements of asymmetry in this situation there are times when you can see more around one limb (edge) and then times when you can see more around the other.

ETA much as others have said.

The phenomenon of lunar libration means we can see nearly 60% of the Moon's surface from Earth, but only 50% at any one full moon.

Edited by turbobloke on Tuesday 17th March 20:18

Fantic SuperT

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887 posts

227 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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elanfan said:
Am I being a bit thick here -- but if the Moon rotates how come we always see the same side of it. You know the man in the moon!
I agree with you and disagree with everyone else (so far). I think if you could tie a rope to the moon (like a ball on the end of a string) it would not start to wrap around the circumferance of the moon as lunar months passed. Therefore I think the moon is not rotating on its own axis.

turbobloke

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267 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Fantic SuperT said:
elanfan said:
Am I being a bit thick here -- but if the Moon rotates how come we always see the same side of it. You know the man in the moon!
I agree with you and disagree with everyone else (so far). I think if you could tie a rope to the moon (like a ball on the end of a string) it would not start to wrap around the circumferance of the moon as lunar months passed. Therefore I think the moon is not rotating on its own axis.
If the Moon wasn't rotating on its axis, we would not have our view limited to approx one half of its surface. Your string method doesn't measure (determine) non-rotation, it measures captured rotation.

The Moon's orbital period is 27.322 days
The Moon's axial rotation period is 27.322 days

MacGee

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237 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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I think we only see one aspect of moon...other side is dark side of the moon

turbobloke

107,804 posts

267 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Obviously, FST is joking in not believing the Moon rotates on its axis - but replies may be useful to those who genuinely want to know the explanation smile

tuffa

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213 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Think about it.

The Moon consistently displays one face to the Earth (hence the term 'Dark side of the Moon), yet the Moon orbits the Earth.

Therefore the Moon MUST rotate about its own axis - one rotation in any 24 hr period (actually its not quite 24 hrs but I'm not getting into the definition of Solar and Sidereal days).
Must not!!

mas99

4,841 posts

191 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Fantic SuperT said:
elanfan said:
Am I being a bit thick here -- but if the Moon rotates how come we always see the same side of it. You know the man in the moon!
I agree with you and disagree with everyone else (so far). I think if you could tie a rope to the moon (like a ball on the end of a string) it would not start to wrap around the circumferance of the moon as lunar months passed. Therefore I think the moon is not rotating on its own axis.
Take two apples - not got apples ? use oranges - place one (lets call it 'earth') in the centre of your table.
place the second ('moon') 6 inches away. take a bite out of the side of this second apple which is furthest away from the first.

Move the 'moon' apple around the 'earth' apple keeping the same side facing the 'earth'.

Notice how it rotates on its axis as it goes round? the bite mark ('alien monitoring base') orientation changes.

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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mas99 said:
Fantic SuperT said:
elanfan said:
Am I being a bit thick here -- but if the Moon rotates how come we always see the same side of it. You know the man in the moon!
I agree with you and disagree with everyone else (so far). I think if you could tie a rope to the moon (like a ball on the end of a string) it would not start to wrap around the circumferance of the moon as lunar months passed. Therefore I think the moon is not rotating on its own axis.
Take two apples - not got apples ? use oranges - place one (lets call it 'earth') in the centre of your table.
place the second ('moon') 6 inches away. take a bite out of the side of this second apple which is furthest away from the first.

Move the 'moon' apple around the 'earth' apple keeping the same side facing the 'earth'.

Notice how it rotates on its axis as it goes round? the bite mark ('alien monitoring base') orientation changes.
Thanks for that - was doing my head in!! It's like the moon being on the end of a clock hand and going round the clock. Still freaky trying to do it in my head nuts

UncappedTag

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192 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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How come you always see the same side of the moon if it rotates?

Edited by UncappedTag on Tuesday 17th March 20:47

turbobloke

107,804 posts

267 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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UncappedTag said:
How come you always see the same side of the moon if it rotates?
Because if it didn't rotate (in the same period as its orbit) you'd see a lot more than one side smile

sstein

6,249 posts

261 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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turbobloke said:
UncappedTag said:
How come you always see the same side of the moon if it rotates?
Because if it didn't rotate (in the same period as its orbit) you'd see more than one side smile
And we can't have that can we, the hidden Nazi alien moon base (and Elvis house!) would be revealed. No! That would be no good at all.

tongue out

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Stuart

Edited by sstein on Tuesday 17th March 20:50

turbobloke

107,804 posts

267 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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sstein said:
turbobloke said:
UncappedTag said:
How come you always see the same side of the moon if it rotates?
Because if it didn't rotate (in the same period as its orbit) you'd see more than one side smile
And we can't have that can we, the hidden Nazi alien moon base (and Elvis house!) would be revealed. No! That would be no good at all.

:tongue:

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Stuart
One for all the space cadets hehe