University Fees To Go Up to > £5k a Year
Discussion
Jasandjules said:
Not a shock. We saw it coming years ago. Basically, as soon as they introduced the fees, you know the Govt is going to keep increasing the rates.
The thing is I can't see how the Gov't rationalise this with wanting everyone to go to Uni. I was fortunate to be one of the last years of grants. There is no way I would have gone, had I been faced with that level of debt.Make it free for all, make the entry requirements harder, and get rid of the Mickey Mouse subjects IMO.
A lot of people I am with at uni are struggling to pay at the current rate. If the cost does go up significantly, it will just mean that a hell of a lot of students decide against university.
If they do push on, the amount of debt they will rack up over the 3 years will be a pretty big burden, and they would need to find a decent job to help pay it off!
If they do push on, the amount of debt they will rack up over the 3 years will be a pretty big burden, and they would need to find a decent job to help pay it off!
I do wonder why so many people feel the need to do a degree - for example I know someone who has a degree in drumming, you also have the classic Diana studies. I would hope that people would be put off from such degrees by having to pay 15k+ for theie degree.
I wish somehow we could get more people into useful apprenticeships/ more work oriented courses
I wish somehow we could get more people into useful apprenticeships/ more work oriented courses
rhinochopig said:
Jasandjules said:
Not a shock. We saw it coming years ago. Basically, as soon as they introduced the fees, you know the Govt is going to keep increasing the rates.
The thing is I can't see how the Gov't rationalise this with wanting everyone to go to Uni. I was fortunate to be one of the last years of grants. There is no way I would have gone, had I been faced with that level of debt.Make it free for all, make the entry requirements harder, and get rid of the Mickey Mouse subjects IMO.
Govt policy is completely flawed (quelle surprise) in that they want to stop university being so elitist...University is intellectually elitist...that's the f
king point you fking imbecilic cockwombles. By all means increase access to people otherwise capable but hampered by social situations but quit the free for all that it's become.
Edited by DrTre on Tuesday 17th March 08:46
I have never understood how anyone can read for say a degree in history not having obtained an A in the relevant A level. I know of a friend's son who went on to study maths having only got a C at A level - unsurprisingly he did not last the course.
However if as a country we wish to send 1/3 of our youngsters to university this is not something the taxpayer can afford to pay for.
However if as a country we wish to send 1/3 of our youngsters to university this is not something the taxpayer can afford to pay for.
Bloody disgrace.
There are plenty of people at university who can afford to pay and should do so.
However, what is desperately needed is intelligence in the application of fees and also the removal of socialist idiocy.
Degrees which lead to well paid jobs should have higher fees but also more 'Bursary' and 'Scholarship' places.
Pointless degrees which lead to no specific career and are used by too many people as an easy way to hide out for a few years should have no bursaries or scholarships.
Degrees which tend to lead to lower paid jobs such as research should have similar fees but a large number of subsidised positions.
Bursaries and scholarships should be eligiable firstly on an economic basis using parental means testing of income levels and council tax bandings to ensure that only those who really couldn't afford the fees are eligiable. Then, once that barrier is crossed it is purely down to dilligence and intelligence. Nothing for daft or lazy people.
It is very important that thos who are likely to suceed in life and add to society are never held back by their parent's financial shortcomings.
It is also essential to note that there are many people at Uni who have no real need to go there and raised fees will hopefully discourage them. Here is the sexist bit: It was shocking just how many girls at my Uni left and became secretaries before getting married and becoming a housewife. In my book, such a person stole a lifetime opportunity from another person. It's the same as someone who went to public school, recieving a great education and then going to work for a charity. Shoot them. If they really cared they would get the kind of job their education set them up for and give half their income to that charity while at the same time leaving the job for someone else.
A further change to the system should include an annual over payment which is only refunded if a suitable degree level is reached this will both punish and discourage the lazy. There are so many course options it should have no impact on the daft.
In addition, standardised loan rates for students should be introduced and quite frankly, this rate should be set in stone and be used as a variable tool to steer people in the direction that this country needs. I.e. if we are desperately short of physisists then those degrees attract a lower interest rate. Lawyers, on the other hand, can get an early lesson in what it is like to bend some innocent person over the desk and stick it to them
There are plenty of people at university who can afford to pay and should do so.
However, what is desperately needed is intelligence in the application of fees and also the removal of socialist idiocy.
Degrees which lead to well paid jobs should have higher fees but also more 'Bursary' and 'Scholarship' places.
Pointless degrees which lead to no specific career and are used by too many people as an easy way to hide out for a few years should have no bursaries or scholarships.
Degrees which tend to lead to lower paid jobs such as research should have similar fees but a large number of subsidised positions.
Bursaries and scholarships should be eligiable firstly on an economic basis using parental means testing of income levels and council tax bandings to ensure that only those who really couldn't afford the fees are eligiable. Then, once that barrier is crossed it is purely down to dilligence and intelligence. Nothing for daft or lazy people.
It is very important that thos who are likely to suceed in life and add to society are never held back by their parent's financial shortcomings.
It is also essential to note that there are many people at Uni who have no real need to go there and raised fees will hopefully discourage them. Here is the sexist bit: It was shocking just how many girls at my Uni left and became secretaries before getting married and becoming a housewife. In my book, such a person stole a lifetime opportunity from another person. It's the same as someone who went to public school, recieving a great education and then going to work for a charity. Shoot them. If they really cared they would get the kind of job their education set them up for and give half their income to that charity while at the same time leaving the job for someone else.
A further change to the system should include an annual over payment which is only refunded if a suitable degree level is reached this will both punish and discourage the lazy. There are so many course options it should have no impact on the daft.
In addition, standardised loan rates for students should be introduced and quite frankly, this rate should be set in stone and be used as a variable tool to steer people in the direction that this country needs. I.e. if we are desperately short of physisists then those degrees attract a lower interest rate. Lawyers, on the other hand, can get an early lesson in what it is like to bend some innocent person over the desk and stick it to them
Kickstart said:
I have never understood how anyone can read for say a degree in history not having obtained an A in the relevant A level. I know of a friend's son who went on to study maths having only got a C at A level - unsurprisingly he did not last the course.
A friend wanted to study Medicine, and needed AAA in the Sciences, but only got a B in Biology – so they wouldn’t accept him.He was offered through clearing at the same Uni a course in… Biology.
I dont understand how some students can get in so much debt???
My OH has been a student for the last 4 years.... finishing the Masters this september, she is foreign studying in London (just in case that makes a difference), has to pay £650 per month in accommodation, is not from a really rich family and yet when she finishes, she will be debt free.
I on the other hand was the last of the grant year generation and came out with 4k in debits.... Maybe I shouldnt have bought my first car with the loan
My OH has been a student for the last 4 years.... finishing the Masters this september, she is foreign studying in London (just in case that makes a difference), has to pay £650 per month in accommodation, is not from a really rich family and yet when she finishes, she will be debt free.
I on the other hand was the last of the grant year generation and came out with 4k in debits.... Maybe I shouldnt have bought my first car with the loan
Where is it reported that fees are due to go up to >5k????
Don't get swept up by sensationalism
The facts are that a number of universities would like to increase the max annual fee.
And the government isn't due to review fee caps until next year.
Don't get swept up by sensationalism
The facts are that a number of universities would like to increase the max annual fee.
And the government isn't due to review fee caps until next year.
Edited by tom g on Tuesday 17th March 09:18
It is about time the maximum annual fee is increased, which would allow for greater variation in fees.
At present at the 'elite' universities UK students are subsidised by Non-EU students and often by the endowments of the colleges. Without an increase we are in danger of the elite slipping into mediocrity.
By contrast there seems no need for many of the new universities to up their fees, so finally the cost will start to match the quality.
At present at the 'elite' universities UK students are subsidised by Non-EU students and often by the endowments of the colleges. Without an increase we are in danger of the elite slipping into mediocrity.
By contrast there seems no need for many of the new universities to up their fees, so finally the cost will start to match the quality.
Dupont666 said:
I dont understand how some students can get in so much debt???
My OH has been a student for the last 4 years.... finishing the Masters this september, she is foreign studying in London (just in case that makes a difference), has to pay £650 per month in accommodation, is not from a really rich family and yet when she finishes, she will be debt free.
I on the other hand was the last of the grant year generation and came out with 4k in debits.... Maybe I shouldnt have bought my first car with the loan
As a lot of students believe their 16 hour week is "full time".My OH has been a student for the last 4 years.... finishing the Masters this september, she is foreign studying in London (just in case that makes a difference), has to pay £650 per month in accommodation, is not from a really rich family and yet when she finishes, she will be debt free.
I on the other hand was the last of the grant year generation and came out with 4k in debits.... Maybe I shouldnt have bought my first car with the loan
I know my sister got a first in law while working and zero debts.
No reason why you can't work and do the degree.
Edited by elster on Tuesday 17th March 09:30
The absolute hilarity of it all is that the politicians in power at the moment all got grants for university so certainly did not pay as much, if they actually paid anything out of their own pockets, nowadays there are more students and a lot less grants.
Personally I don't see how a variation in fees helps anyone other than the universities. Intelligence is not limited by wealth, there are plenty of very intelligent children from poorer families, and plenty of stupid kid from rich families, why should one group be put off a good university because of high fees, while another is let in simply because Mummy and Daddy can afford to pay for it all.
Personally I don't see how a variation in fees helps anyone other than the universities. Intelligence is not limited by wealth, there are plenty of very intelligent children from poorer families, and plenty of stupid kid from rich families, why should one group be put off a good university because of high fees, while another is let in simply because Mummy and Daddy can afford to pay for it all.
MentalSarcasm said:
The absolute hilarity of it all is that the politicians in power at the moment all got grants for university so certainly did not pay as much, if they actually paid anything out of their own pockets, nowadays there are more students and a lot less grants.
Personally I don't see how a variation in fees helps anyone other than the universities. Intelligence is not limited by wealth, there are plenty of very intelligent children from poorer families, and plenty of stupid kid from rich families, why should one group be put off a good university because of high fees, while another is let in simply because Mummy and Daddy can afford to pay for it all.
As I understand it the kids from the poorer families do get a grant as opposed to a loan...? Plus there are lots of bursaries around...Of course if you're Scottish or from the EU (other than England) and are studying in Scotland then you are much better off...Personally I don't see how a variation in fees helps anyone other than the universities. Intelligence is not limited by wealth, there are plenty of very intelligent children from poorer families, and plenty of stupid kid from rich families, why should one group be put off a good university because of high fees, while another is let in simply because Mummy and Daddy can afford to pay for it all.
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