Slipping through the net
Discussion
While most of the country are diverted by the c*nts in charge, there are news items slipping by without being given much attention by our alert independent and objective chums in the media.
Local authorities are paying - correction, we are paying - to have our plastic bottles and paper waste held in storage while the recession works its way out. This is because the price they get for it now has fallen off a cliff. How long before even more of it heads over to China and other ports as ballast in ships, destined for landfill in Asia rather than here? This will keep up the 'recycliong' figures while avoiding Broon's landfill tax.
An energy consultancy Capgemini has reported that the chance of power cuts is now greater than at any time in the past ten years. That's optimistic, and forgets to mention the energy crunch that lies in store down the same road. They lay a significant part of the blame at the useless windymill policy the UK and EU are welded to, wso leading us down the path of dire energy security. Which leads on to the third slipper.
OFGEM has revealed that households might be expecting energy prices to fall as inflation falls in the recession, yet over the next two years they in fact face shocking (no pun intended) rises in electricity and gas prices. Calculations here on PH show that the houshold bill for gas and electricity will rise by a flat rate of between £300 and £500 per year, over the next 20 years, if the full UN / EU / UK green madness is let loose. As this is quite ridiculous, there will have to be deadlines broken amd targets missed, leading to a bit of common sense by default. This is the only way we'll get close to common sense from this bunch of idiots.
As for the energy crunch - things will get very 'interesting' when the power goes off and stays off for longer and longer periods, when families have breadwinners with no jobs and no bread, alongside sky high bills, and (likely) a Dalton Minimum taking temperatures down and premature winter UK deaths over 50,000
Interesting times ahead.
Local authorities are paying - correction, we are paying - to have our plastic bottles and paper waste held in storage while the recession works its way out. This is because the price they get for it now has fallen off a cliff. How long before even more of it heads over to China and other ports as ballast in ships, destined for landfill in Asia rather than here? This will keep up the 'recycliong' figures while avoiding Broon's landfill tax.
An energy consultancy Capgemini has reported that the chance of power cuts is now greater than at any time in the past ten years. That's optimistic, and forgets to mention the energy crunch that lies in store down the same road. They lay a significant part of the blame at the useless windymill policy the UK and EU are welded to, wso leading us down the path of dire energy security. Which leads on to the third slipper.
OFGEM has revealed that households might be expecting energy prices to fall as inflation falls in the recession, yet over the next two years they in fact face shocking (no pun intended) rises in electricity and gas prices. Calculations here on PH show that the houshold bill for gas and electricity will rise by a flat rate of between £300 and £500 per year, over the next 20 years, if the full UN / EU / UK green madness is let loose. As this is quite ridiculous, there will have to be deadlines broken amd targets missed, leading to a bit of common sense by default. This is the only way we'll get close to common sense from this bunch of idiots.
As for the energy crunch - things will get very 'interesting' when the power goes off and stays off for longer and longer periods, when families have breadwinners with no jobs and no bread, alongside sky high bills, and (likely) a Dalton Minimum taking temperatures down and premature winter UK deaths over 50,000
Interesting times ahead.
jules_s said:
turbobloke said:
Are they featuring power cuts and Chinese landfill sites in Eastenders?
Blimey.
I dont think the Eastenders plot lines are that far fetched to be honest..Blimey.
Power cuts and our 'recycled' waste heading east to landfill (plus the rest) aren't far-fetched as they're happening now, so that can't be it.
Good rant. Once people are shivering in the dark, unemployed, they'll realise that security of energy is a bit more important than recycling carrier bags.
It seems that when an economy is going well, it burdens itself with (can afford) politcial correctness, environmentalism, government waste, red tape etc. Think of it as body fat. Now the country is going hungry, that fat has to be lost.
It seems that when an economy is going well, it burdens itself with (can afford) politcial correctness, environmentalism, government waste, red tape etc. Think of it as body fat. Now the country is going hungry, that fat has to be lost.
CorsaScott said:
so your saying in 20 years we'll be paying over $10000 a year in gas an electricity? 
Did you read the bit about flat rate increase, or was some other aspect of the post beyond you?If a household is paying £300 - £400 a year now, then that will rise to £600 - £900 sometime soon but in the next 20 years, and stay there, depending on how much green lunacy actually goes ahead and when.
The start of emissions auctions was last week; plus 7000 windymills are planned at a cost of > £1 million each; plus £10 billion to connect these white elephants to the grid; plus £20 billion in renewables obligation certificates (taxpayer subsidy) to operators to make them viable; plus (etc).
Them when the wind isn't blowing after Eastenders and the nation wants a cuppa, it'll be you pedalling on the dynamo right? Wrong, we'll be buying electricity (and gas, as we have grossly inadequate storage to buy and hold when the price was low) from other nations, at a price. We will be paying for that.
Get the picture yet mister rolleyes? When on-costs to goods and services arising from higher business energy costs are passed on together with higher green taxes as planned and more hikes in energy bills are all taken together, then with full-on green lunacy a flat rate £500 increase will be at the cheap end.
Edited by turbobloke on Wednesday 26th November 23:16
Simpo Two said:
It seems that when an economy is going well, it burdens itself with (can afford) politcial correctness, environmentalism, government waste, red tape etc. Think of it as body fat. Now the country is going hungry, that fat has to be lost.
Yep.Extended power cuts with cooler temperatures, sky high energy bills and a recession barely gone (or still in full swing) would see riots.
Went to council tip recycling centre on Sunday to get rid of some household crap, fecking div of a council worker running run shouting at everybody-
"If you got plastics we don't want them, every where's full! no one wants to recycle plastics at the moment, take em back home".
So what exactly is the point of these centres?
"If you got plastics we don't want them, every where's full! no one wants to recycle plastics at the moment, take em back home".
So what exactly is the point of these centres?
odyssey2200 said:
TB
help me out here will you?
We have some Nuclear power stations (albeit under French control) and coal fired power stations.
Why would we have power cuts.
Should we not also be using rubish as a fuel rather than landfilling it?
The country's energy infrastructure is fragile, the supply over demand surplus is nearly nothing, and the system can't cope now at times let alone with higher demand in cooler times. Energy security is dire.help me out here will you?
We have some Nuclear power stations (albeit under French control) and coal fired power stations.
Why would we have power cuts.
Should we not also be using rubish as a fuel rather than landfilling it?
Burning rubbish is a great idea. Except that it produces tax gas.....
turbobloke said:
odyssey2200 said:
TB
help me out here will you?
We have some Nuclear power stations (albeit under French control) and coal fired power stations.
Why would we have power cuts.
Should we not also be using rubish as a fuel rather than landfilling it?
The country's energy infrastructure is fragile, the supply over demand surplus is nearly nothing, and the system can't cope now at times let alone with higher demand in cooler times. Energy security is dire.help me out here will you?
We have some Nuclear power stations (albeit under French control) and coal fired power stations.
Why would we have power cuts.
Should we not also be using rubish as a fuel rather than landfilling it?
Burning rubbish is a great idea. Except that it prodices tax gas.....
69 coupe said:
Went to council tip recycling centre on Sunday to get rid of some household crap, fecking div of a council worker running run shouting at everybody-
"If you got plastics we don't want them, every where's full! no one wants to recycle plastics at the moment, take em back home".
So what exactly is the point of these centres?
It avoids tens of £millions in EU fines on local councils - that WE would pay for in increased Council Tax."If you got plastics we don't want them, every where's full! no one wants to recycle plastics at the moment, take em back home".
So what exactly is the point of these centres?
Now, as per the OP, the price of plastic etc for recycling has plummeted so these processes are even less economically attractive than before. So the green veneer slips away and it's just avoidance of swingeing fines.
turbobloke said:
Simpo Two said:
It seems that when an economy is going well, it burdens itself with (can afford) politcial correctness, environmentalism, government waste, red tape etc. Think of it as body fat. Now the country is going hungry, that fat has to be lost.
Yep.Extended power cuts with cooler temperatures, sky high energy bills and a recession barely gone (or still in full swing) would see riots.
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