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tinman0

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18,231 posts

270 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

Have a look at this for a moment. I placed the first bid of £50, and within minutes someone entered £51. And now there is another bidder at £52.

Does that strike you as odd. Don't know why, but it feels like I'm bidding against the owner.

Why he's so worried I don't know, because the lens will go for £180 min.

chevykevv

1,447 posts

237 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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That's because on of the other 2 bidders has set a higher maximum bid, it'll keep counter bidding you until you reach his maximum.

marshalla

15,902 posts

231 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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Doesn't look shilly to me. Seller history looks OK too.

tinman0

Original Poster:

18,231 posts

270 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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chevykevv said:
That's because on of the other 2 bidders has set a higher maximum bid, it'll keep counter bidding you until you reach his maximum.
I just found it odd to be outbid for so little so quickly.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

235 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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tinman0 said:
chevykevv said:
That's because on of the other 2 bidders has set a higher maximum bid, it'll keep counter bidding you until you reach his maximum.
I just found it odd to be outbid for so little so quickly.
Ebay autobids up to your maximum amount!!

ie, if his maximum is say, 60. If no-one else bids it will stay at the minimum required to win the auction. If you bid 52 it will autobid up to 54, say. Then you bid 56 and it will automatically go up to 58. Up to his maximum bid.

marshalla

15,902 posts

231 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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That's how the autobid works though it goes up in pre-determined increments until it hits the other bidders max.

It's also possible that the other bidders are sitting by their PCs and responding to "You've been outbid" e-mails very quickly.

tinman0

Original Poster:

18,231 posts

270 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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hornetrider said:
Ebay autobids up to your maximum amount!!

ie, if his maximum is say, 60. If no-one else bids it will stay at the minimum required to win the auction. If you bid 52 it will autobid up to 54, say. Then you bid 56 and it will automatically go up to 58. Up to his maximum bid.
its ok, i understand the concept of ebay. thank you :thumbsup:

my interest was in the nickel and diming of the second bidder, and probably third bidder for that matter, and the timing of the first bidder themselves. (not how ebay works).

carmonk

7,910 posts

217 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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EDIT: Oops, misread the bids! I'll leave what I wrote in though but it's not right! smile

The time between the bids is a bit odd, seeing as there are 4 days left, and especially since it seems bidder 2 came back and bid manually rather than bidding more initially and having his bid updated automatically up to his max (although ebay could just be being a bit slow, unlikely though)

Also bid 3 is a bit specific. So yes, possibly something odd going on to boost the bidding.

Edited by carmonk on Wednesday 5th November 13:50

tinman0

Original Poster:

18,231 posts

270 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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there you go, just bid £60 and bidder 2 comes alive again from 10:17am??

andymc

7,622 posts

237 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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he propably has another account he is using to ramp up the bids, ebay can check this via I.P addresses, personally i think ebay is a pile of cack these days but you pays your money...

carmonk

7,910 posts

217 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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tinman0 said:
there you go, just bid £60 and bidder 2 comes alive again from 10:17am??
Ignoring what I wrote earlier, bidder 2 had his first automated bid at 5th Nov 10:17 and this will carry through until he reaches his max. Bidder 2's latest bid is an auto-bid. To view the other auto-bids click "show automatic bids"

Famous Graham

26,553 posts

255 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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Looks fine to me confused

Bidders 2 and 3 are simply manually bidding rather than entering a maximum amount.

ETA : or not hehe


Great lens though - tis the only one I've had on my 1D for the last 5 months or so thumbup



Edited by Famous Graham on Wednesday 5th November 13:56

barney123

495 posts

241 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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Its amazing how many people dont understand the ebay bidding system.

Most people use it like an auction reacting to small incremental bids rather than just entering their highest price.

Bearing this in mind you are better swooping in at the last minute with a killer bid of your highest price, thereby outbidding people
sat waiting to respond, but out of time.

grand cherokee

2,432 posts

229 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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why the heck are you starting to bid 4 days before auction ends?

madness imo!!

Famous Graham

26,553 posts

255 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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grand cherokee said:
why the heck are you starting to bid 4 days before auction ends?

madness imo!!
Not at all. When I was trading collectibles a couple of years ago, there were a few occassions when no one would bid for the first 3 or 4 days and the seller would cancel the auction.

If you want the item, there's no harm in putting in a low bid just to make sure the auction proceeds.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

275 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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tinman0 said:
I placed the first bid of £50, and within minutes someone entered £51. And now there is another bidder at £52.
I don't buy a huge amount of stuff on eBay, but I've tried various "strategies" and I've found time and time again that if I place the first bid then someone else will bid almost straight away.

Even on things which have a lots for sale, you'd think that if you put a bid in then others would leave you to it, but they don't - they ignore the unbid auctions and bid yours up!!

I pretty well always snipe at the end of the auction now, but if I haven't bought anything for a while, and am out of practice with the timing, then I do sometimes miss it. Doh!

Edited by Deva Link on Wednesday 5th November 14:03

barney123

495 posts

241 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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grand cherokee said:
why the heck are you starting to bid 4 days before auction ends?

madness imo!!
Exactly !

Just gives everyone else the oportunity to outbid you !

lawrence567

7,507 posts

220 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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If you really want to fk him off bid 180 then dont pay.
But depends if u want neg feedback or not!

grand cherokee

2,432 posts

229 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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barney123 said:
grand cherokee said:
why the heck are you starting to bid 4 days before auction ends?

madness imo!!
Exactly !

Just gives everyone else the oportunity to outbid you !
and thats the key to why ebay is a success!

grand cherokee

2,432 posts

229 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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lawrence567 said:
If you really want to fk him off bid 180 then dont pay.
But depends if u want neg feedback or not!
but why?

the seller has done nothing wrong?

people like you give fleabay a bad name!

but there again you don't understand fleabay - under the new rules the seller cannot give negative feedback!

back in your box!

Edited by grand cherokee on Wednesday 5th November 14:07