PGCE question
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MentalSarcasm

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241 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Good morning PH!

I've passed my MA and am now super happy.

After a talk with my parents last night I am now considering doing a PGCE in Classics.

Annoyingly only two places do one in Classics, Cambridge and Kings.

Has anyone done (or knows someone who has done) a PGCE at either of these fine institutions?

I'm not sure if all PGCE's are the same but I'm assuming they are linked together in some way, so does anyone know what the actual courses involve? Is it all lesson plans, how to keep an unruly class quiet and the like or are there piles of essays for you to write? Someone please tell me no dissertation is involved at the end as I might just die if I have to write a third.

Taita

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233 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Congratulations on passing smile

Fidgits

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259 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Dont take this the wrong way... but why do you want to do a PGCE in 'classics' - surely any Uni doing PGCE's will do english Lit versions - which will make it much easier to actually get a job...


MentalSarcasm

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Friday 17th October 2008
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Fidgits said:
Dont take this the wrong way... but why do you want to do a PGCE in 'classics' - surely any Uni doing PGCE's will do english Lit versions - which will make it much easier to actually get a job...
Because I've done two degrees in ancient history and have no interest in english literature.

Fidgits

17,202 posts

259 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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MentalSarcasm said:
Fidgits said:
Dont take this the wrong way... but why do you want to do a PGCE in 'classics' - surely any Uni doing PGCE's will do english Lit versions - which will make it much easier to actually get a job...
Because I've done two degrees in ancient history and have no interest in english literature.
okay *sorry*, why not history then?

My point is, short of a select few private schools, I dont imagine many places are looking for 'classics' teachers - so your limiting your options - whereas a standard subject (e.g. history) opens up the employmnet possibilities much further.

turbobloke

117,235 posts

290 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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MentalSarcasm said:
Is it all lesson plans, how to keep an unruly class quiet and the like or are there piles of essays for you to write? Someone please tell me no dissertation is involved at the end as I might just die if I have to write a third.
You should escape a major lengthy dissertation, whoopeedo!

If you have any time left to take an extra breath each day you'll be among the lucky few. Tutors knowing how to keep an unruly class quiet and knowing how to pass it on? If they did they would not be lecturing on PGCE courses but bottling and selling it. Expect the usual pious nonsense with tactics aimed at kids behaving like they do on the TV teaching ads rofl not to mention being stuffed to the gills with personalised learning and the every child matters agenda.

Remember, teachers don't matter so much.

turbobloke

117,235 posts

290 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Fidgits said:
My point is, short of a select few private schools...
That would be an excellent employment plan for MentalSarcasm. She might even remain sane.

MentalSarcasm

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6,083 posts

241 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Fidgits said:
MentalSarcasm said:
Fidgits said:
Dont take this the wrong way... but why do you want to do a PGCE in 'classics' - surely any Uni doing PGCE's will do english Lit versions - which will make it much easier to actually get a job...
Because I've done two degrees in ancient history and have no interest in english literature.
okay *sorry*, why not history then?

My point is, short of a select few private schools, I dont imagine many places are looking for 'classics' teachers - so your limiting your options - whereas a standard subject (e.g. history) opens up the employmnet possibilities much further.
I have no interest in modern history either, for me it's the Greeks and Romans all the way smile I do understand what you're saying, but I have an idea for something I can do myself that my parents think will be more successful if I have a PGCE.

Plus a PGCE isn't just good for teaching, a lot of education departments in museums require you to have one, so I'm not locking myself to just one career in a minority of schools, there are other options smile besides there are some state schools that off it, and Grammars like Gav said, I went to a comprehensive and was taught Latin (and then volunteered to do Greek as well).

Turbobloke- Yeah I figured that already, I'm going to return to my old hell hole of a school in the next few weeks and ask my old latin teacher if I can sit in for a few classes, he was very good at class control so I'm hoping I'll learn more from him than from a lecturer.

turbobloke

117,235 posts

290 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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MentalSarcasm said:
I'm going to return to my old hell hole of a school in the next few weeks and ask my old latin teacher if I can sit in for a few classes, he was very good at class control so I'm hoping I'll learn more from him than from a lecturer.
Depending on precise details of this, there may be a slight delay of a few months while you are subjected to an enhanced CRB check and (possibly) asked to pay for it...plan early to avoid disappointment smile

Yugguy

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265 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Some selective schools like Rugby High still do the traditional subjects.

Great place to teach too, a selective girl's grammar is full of clever, hard-working pupils.

Cue paedo jokes...

MentalSarcasm

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241 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Yugguy said:
Some selective schools like Rugby High still do the traditional subjects.

Great place to teach too, a selective girl's grammar is full of clever, hard-working pupils.

Cue paedo jokes...
I'm not a bloke.

Yugguy

10,728 posts

265 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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MentalSarcasm said:
Yugguy said:
Some selective schools like Rugby High still do the traditional subjects.

Great place to teach too, a selective girl's grammar is full of clever, hard-working pupils.

Cue paedo jokes...
I'm not a bloke.
It's single sex pupils, not teachers...

barney123

495 posts

241 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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What some people will do to try and skip making fries and cleaning the toilets and get straight to 5 stars !

A1GOY

1,521 posts

232 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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There's quite a fwe schools round my way that offer Latin - all private, mind. Mum used to to teach Classics, has since retired but it doing university supervisions with it. Quite useful, me thinks!
Plus, Latin was great - the better the teacher, the more fun the subject!

Foolish Dave

2,101 posts

286 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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Hey,

My sister has just started PGCE at Cambridge this year and she loves it. The placement schools are spread pretty far and wide, she has one in Herts and one in Beds, friends of hers have the out East (not sure how far).

Drop me a PM if you want me to put you in contact.

Which age group would you be training for?

Goog luck.

Dave