Looks like Lehman is heading for liquidation..talks fail
Discussion
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/business/15lehma...
Barclays has withdrawn.
The world of banking is looking increasingly grim these days. Wonder who is next.......
Barclays has withdrawn.
The world of banking is looking increasingly grim these days. Wonder who is next.......
Fittster said:
The taxpayer when he runs out of cash to bail them out?
Well that's the joy of the current impasse. On the one hand, letting Lehmans collapse puts all the financial pain where it properly belongs - with the institutions that would've (and did) happily take the profits. The problem is that no-one is sure how big the ripples of dropping this particular stone will be and the bankers are screaming that it would cause such a tsunami throughout the financial system that the US government should pony up and swallow the cost as the lesser of two evils.The US government, having spent a shedload of future taxpayers money last weekend propping up Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are running scared of what the taxpayer may say if they casually throw another $500million plus into the bankers pockets to dig them out of a hole that they created. Plus, if they back Lehman today what about WaMu and AIG next week, both being rumoured to be having problems. How much money are they going to throw at private risk.
Breaking......
Bank of America now out of talks too according to Bloomberg.
Asian markets open in a couple of hours - NY preparing for Lehman to file for Bankruptcy before midnight NY Time - Bloomberg.
If Lehmans goes, and that's looking extremely likely now, tomorrow will be one hell of a ride for the exchanges and will be a definitive day for a lot of the wrong reasons.
The unspoken problem of course is that this is actually a cost to all of us! The financial institutions have effectively ripped us all of over the years, investing our pensions and endowments so half the time they are worth less than we put in, whilst claiming huge bonuses for their successes. However the chickens really have come home to roost about those successes now!
Fivepercent said:
That is 26,000 financial services people out of a job tomorrow.
And 911 prices are already in free fall.
A) How many of them will be in a new job by the end of the week?And 911 prices are already in free fall.
B) How many have made enough to have got through the 'f
k You' barrier where it doesn't really matter if the work again.Durruti said:
Fittster said:
The taxpayer when he runs out of cash to bail them out?
Well that's the joy of the current impasse. On the one hand, letting Lehmans collapse puts all the financial pain where it properly belongs - with the institutions that would've (and did) happily take the profits. The problem is that no-one is sure how big the ripples of dropping this particular stone will be and the bankers are screaming that it would cause such a tsunami throughout the financial system that the US government should pony up and swallow the cost as the lesser of two evils.The US government, having spent a shedload of future taxpayers money last weekend propping up Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are running scared of what the taxpayer may say if they casually throw another $500million plus into the bankers pockets to dig them out of a hole that they created. Plus, if they back Lehman today what about WaMu and AIG next week, both being rumoured to be having problems. How much money are they going to throw at private risk.
Breaking......
Bank of America now out of talks too according to Bloomberg.
Asian markets open in a couple of hours - NY preparing for Lehman to file for Bankruptcy before midnight NY Time - Bloomberg.
If Lehmans goes, and that's looking extremely likely now, tomorrow will be one hell of a ride for the exchanges and will be a definitive day for a lot of the wrong reasons.
Here are their current UK job vacancies: http://jobs.efinancialcareers.com/company-Lehman_B...
Fivepercent said:
That is 26,000 financial services people out of a job tomorrow.
And 911 prices are already in free fall.
Your postings seem slightly narrow in their perspective if you don't mind me saying.And 911 prices are already in free fall.
26,000 individual tragedies are just the tip of this iceberg, but as long as you can have a snide dig at our porker driving brethren that's ok.
Piss off you lightweight t
t. RDMcG said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/business/15lehma...
Barclays has withdrawn.
The world of banking is looking increasingly grim these days. Wonder who is next.......
Thank goodness Barclays didn't buy them - things are looking alot brighter now. If they haven't learnt from the ABN episode, then they haven't learnt anything. I don't see Goldmans in a rush to bid for them [who seem to be in the know].Barclays has withdrawn.
The world of banking is looking increasingly grim these days. Wonder who is next.......
Edited by fido on Sunday 14th September 21:05
Chrisgr31 said:
The unspoken problem of course is that this is actually a cost to all of us! The financial institutions have effectively ripped us all of over the years, investing our pensions and endowments so half the time they are worth less than we put in, whilst claiming huge bonuses for their successes. However the chickens really have come home to roost about those successes now!
All the money they've made has come from the investor - us. I'm pretty sure my pension fund would be just as big if I'd stuffed it all in the B/Soc.Simpo Two said:
Chrisgr31 said:
The unspoken problem of course is that this is actually a cost to all of us! The financial institutions have effectively ripped us all of over the years, investing our pensions and endowments so half the time they are worth less than we put in, whilst claiming huge bonuses for their successes. However the chickens really have come home to roost about those successes now!
All the money they've made has come from the investor - us. I'm pretty sure my pension fund would be just as big if I'd stuffed it all in the B/Soc.
Durruti said:
Fivepercent said:
That is 26,000 financial services people out of a job tomorrow.
And 911 prices are already in free fall.
Your postings seem slightly narrow in their perspective if you don't mind me saying.And 911 prices are already in free fall.
26,000 individual tragedies are just the tip of this iceberg, but as long as you can have a snide dig at our porker driving brethren that's ok.
Piss off you lightweight t
t. And lets be honest companies in financial services would happily screw over the man in the street for a pound profit
So sorry not much sympathy for the city boys
Durruti said:
Fivepercent said:
That is 26,000 financial services people out of a job tomorrow.
And 911 prices are already in free fall.
Your postings seem slightly narrow in their perspective if you don't mind me saying.And 911 prices are already in free fall.
26,000 individual tragedies are just the tip of this iceberg, but as long as you can have a snide dig at our porker driving brethren that's ok.
Piss off you lightweight t
t. I have plenty of experience of my money being managed by others and the fees that they charge. So I am not exactly crying at this news.
Notice I am not so lightweight that I cannot get my point over without profanities.
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