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jollygreen

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21,492 posts

232 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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The woofy kind, not the fugly women.

We've got a 2-year old son and are keen to get a dog. We've never had one before although I did when I was a nipper.

We can't decide though whether to get a puppy or to try and get a 2 or 3 year old dog that has already been trained. Anybody got any advice?

Looking at golden retrievers/labs. We've got a big house and 6 acres of garden, the wife is at home most of the time with our son so the dog wouldn't be on it's own. We've also got 3 cats.

Cheers
iain

bull996

1,442 posts

239 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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I think for a kid get a puupy. They will get used to each other together, rather than already having a set personality an then being introduced to the child.

Also, I would get a mungrel. They tend to be much less highly strung, more healthy and have better temprements.They are usually mellow.

I defo recommend getting one. I look back on my childhood and best memories are the ones with my dog. They are lovely animals and will repay you a million times over.

Don

28,378 posts

314 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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IF your wife will train the dog - and you can rely on that - I'd suggest you get a pup. It will bond with your family the best, although it will eat your house.

T'otherwise I'm not really sure how you would get a two or three year old pre-trained! Unless it was a rescued dog. And they can have, errrm, problems from prior mistreatment.


staceyb

7,107 posts

254 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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Get a mongrel pup, the kid and dog will grow up together and the pup will learn to live with the cats.

Goochie

5,800 posts

249 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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Rescue dogs CAN come "pre-trained" as our Lab X did. However, it is a bit of a lottery and I know other dogs that have had "issues" thanks to their previous owner's methods.

schmalex

13,616 posts

236 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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We got an 18 month old Great Dane about 2 months ago & she is so gentle with our 5 year old son. As previously said, with a rescue dog you can't guarantee the background or level of training

jollygreen

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21,492 posts

232 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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Yeah some friends of ours got a pup that failed the guide dog training. It had got most of thye way through but failed for being too exuberant. Seemed like a good idea to me...

filski666

3,877 posts

222 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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if you are going for a "breed" do some research about that particular breed. Lots of perceived "family" dogs like labradors / retrievers aren't that good for very small children as they can snap if the kid pokes them in the eye or whatever.

2 breeds I know of as being very patient with young children are

Staffordshire Bull Terriers
Canaan Dogs

if you think about a Staffy - don't buy from some crappy mass breeder who only supplies to chavs etc - get a proper bred one that will be more likely to have a temperament to the breed standard.

Goochie

5,800 posts

249 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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You shoul dread this thread:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

before considering a pedigree dog too.

s,one

4,612 posts

268 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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Not sure what breed but I would say start with a puppy and let it grow with the kids.

Dogs will tolerate kids but if an older dog is brought into the famity having not experienced children I'b be concerned it could be a little snappy.

Wev'e got a Scotty and he's fantastic with kids and daft as a brush. But then we haven't got the room you have so I'd guess a lab would be good.

DBSV8

5,958 posts

268 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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boxers are great family dogs


rhinochopig

17,932 posts

228 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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Our two labs (15weeks 15months old) have just spent the last two weekends being patted, pushed, shoved, tugged at and generally tortured by two sets of small children. Personally I would have savaged both sets of children, but they never batted an eyelid. When they'd had enough they just got up and walked off. Simply brilliant family dogs.

King Herald

23,501 posts

246 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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filski666 said:
if you are going for a "breed" do some research about that particular breed. Lots of perceived "family" dogs like labradors / retrievers aren't that good for very small children as they can snap if the kid pokes them in the eye or whatever.

2 breeds I know of as being very patient with young children are

Staffordshire Bull Terriers
Canaan Dogs

if you think about a Staffy - don't buy from some crappy mass breeder who only supplies to chavs etc - get a proper bred one that will be more likely to have a temperament to the breed standard.
If you pay big cabbage for a 'proper' dog, check its pedigree back four or five generations, to ensure every dog at the breeders kennels don't have, er, the same surname, shall we say. A guaranteed way to have an ill-tempered, halfwit, untrainable dog.




Or so I read on PH last year. Pistonheads: breeding mattersbiggrin

briSk

14,291 posts

256 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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In all seriousness...

how does one go about finding a sort of 'pedigree' dog that looks nice 9rather than some giant rat thing) but isn't actually a pedigree dog that'll have arthritis and a massive brain etc..?

surely some people must breed dogs rather than 'crufts specimens'??? you know how RNIB dogs are labs but normal and police dogs are normal...
i'd really like to get a *cocker/ spaniel (one of those grey and white and black ones) but i couldn't live with myself for encouraging people to breed an ill dog (same as why i buy free range chicken!).

Wings

5,970 posts

245 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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rhinochopig said:
Our two labs (15weeks 15months old) have just spent the last two weekends being patted, pushed, shoved, tugged at and generally tortured by two sets of small children. Personally I would have savaged both sets of children, but they never batted an eyelid. When they'd had enough they just got up and walked off. Simply brilliant family dogs.
+1, brought my 3 children up with golden Labrador bhes. and like you said the dogs were just brilliant with them.

filski666

3,877 posts

222 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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briSk said:
In all seriousness...

how does one go about finding a sort of 'pedigree' dog that looks nice 9rather than some giant rat thing) but isn't actually a pedigree dog that'll have arthritis and a massive brain etc..?

surely some people must breed dogs rather than 'crufts specimens'??? you know how RNIB dogs are labs but normal and police dogs are normal...
i'd really like to get a *cocker/ spaniel (one of those grey and white and black ones) but i couldn't live with myself for encouraging people to breed an ill dog (same as why i buy free range chicken!).
not ALL pedigree dogs are inbred mutated monsters!!!!

look at Canaan dogs, part of their breed requirement is that they are kept as close to the natural pariah dogs as possible.

If you research the breed you are interested in you can find out what problems are associated with that breed (hip dysplasia, eye problems etc etc) and make sure you buy from a breeder that has no hstory of those problems.

I think generally - working type dog breeds are healthier than the little rat like "lap dogs"

muppets_mate

835 posts

246 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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Most respectable animal rescues/charities should temperament test the dogs to ensure a good fit between the prospective family’s circumstances (children, other pets, working patterns, etc) and the dog.

Just because you have a puppy doesn't guarantee a perfect match, in the same ways as not all rescue dogs have abused backgrounds. Quite often they are gifted into rescue when a relationship/marriage ends and both parties have to go out to work and can't look after the dog or they can't agree which one should keep the dog so hand it in rolleyes

All I'm saying is don't dismiss a rescue dog.



filski666

3,877 posts

222 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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muppets_mate said:
Most respectable animal rescues/charities should temperament test the dogs to ensure a good fit between the prospective family’s circumstances (children, other pets, working patterns, etc) and the dog.

Just because you have a puppy doesn't guarantee a perfect match, in the same ways as not all rescue dogs have abused backgrounds. Quite often they are gifted into rescue when a relationship/marriage ends and both parties have to go out to work and can't look after the dog or they can't agree which one should keep the dog so hand it in rolleyes

All I'm saying is don't dismiss a rescue dog.
I don't think there is anything wrong with a rescue dog, personally - but I don't think it is a good idea with a very young child.

my opinion

Jasandjules

72,634 posts

259 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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jollygreen said:
The woofy kind, not the fugly women.

We've got a 2-year old son and are keen to get a dog. We've never had one before although I did when I was a nipper.

We can't decide though whether to get a puppy or to try and get a 2 or 3 year old dog that has already been trained. Anybody got any advice?

Looking at golden retrievers/labs. We've got a big house and 6 acres of garden, the wife is at home most of the time with our son so the dog wouldn't be on it's own. We've also got 3 cats.

Cheers
iain
I'd say, with all due respect, don't get a dog yet.

Really, you want to know how to adequately control and indeed dominate a puppy so it learns what place in the back s/he is (i.e. below you and your children) - I don't think having a 2 year child when you try this is a good idea, because if you get it wrong, your child will get bitten by a dog which thinks it is superior.


Isoproturon1

3,640 posts

231 months

Monday 1st September 2008
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jollygreen said:
Yeah some friends of ours got a pup that failed the guide dog training. It had got most of thye way through but failed for being too exuberant. Seemed like a good idea to me...
Our lab was a failed guide dog - had him for about 4 years, he's now 6. Our little boy is just under 2 - dog is very tolerant of him, they get along fine.