Discussion
PHers, need to get a new TV in the new year, should I go for a HD ready TV (TFT/Plasma) or shall i get a cheapo TV and wait till HD programmes are being transmitted on regular basis and then get the super duper HD TV?
I will be Sky Digital as well in the new year but i'm not sure how many of the programmes are going to be in HD.. better to wait and see how well HD takes off?
I have noticed that the HD TV in comparison to the regular TFT/Plasma are much more expensive! I take it the price of the new HD TVs will come down in price next year?
I will be Sky Digital as well in the new year but i'm not sure how many of the programmes are going to be in HD.. better to wait and see how well HD takes off?
I have noticed that the HD TV in comparison to the regular TFT/Plasma are much more expensive! I take it the price of the new HD TVs will come down in price next year?
Petrol_noggin said:HDTV = High Definition TV. HD Ready, whilst being a bit of a grey area at the moment as the specification varies depending who you ask, means the set will be able to display high-definition sources.
Im sure I saw a feature on TV a while ago on the suttle differences in branding, there is 'HDTV' and 'high definition ready', cant remember the details but I believe one is able to display the high def channels with normal quality, and the other can view them in high def quality?
Buy a set with component and/or HDMI inputs and you'll be fine for the forseeable future.
Whatever happened to enhanced pal? palplus? 100hz sets or the d2mac system or the 625 mode or the analogue sky system......
I think that unless ALL the major TV and set makers get together we are going to have a two teir mis/compatability headache. We need a 100% all round system that will keep us going for the next 50 years. This is going to be the biggest move for us since the 405-->625 change over.
The same applies to the next gen DVD format. Its just a shame that they seem to be promoting what "they" seem as best cos they are the largest NOT what IS!
I can see us having 3 boxes on top of the TV in 10 years
one for BBC, one for ITV+CH4 and one for sky channels. With each of them promising the earth and US losing out somewhere along the line.
Connecting them all together is going to be fun? What is the name of the that new HDTV connector? What about the SCART connector? I remember getting my Sky analogue system and paying £25 for a SCART lead to connect to the decoder.
What the hell am I going to do with all my old stuff? Wait 50 year and flog it on Ebay as an old 625 historic?
Bandwidth is also going to be a major problem. With the introduction of HDTV hogging more space this is going to make smaller outfits (for the want of a better word) with blocky/artifact pictures...
That brings me onto the next headache. Protection! As very large plasma/projection people know due to the protection system that stops you copying your disk IT also allows you to see the protection on the picture image itself. Lets hope they get this ironed out quick.
From Pink Floyd The Wall 'I've got 13 channels of
on the TV to choose from'
Oh how true.. Do you find with all the channels you drift back to the same 4?
Excuse quickly bashed out message
I think that unless ALL the major TV and set makers get together we are going to have a two teir mis/compatability headache. We need a 100% all round system that will keep us going for the next 50 years. This is going to be the biggest move for us since the 405-->625 change over.
The same applies to the next gen DVD format. Its just a shame that they seem to be promoting what "they" seem as best cos they are the largest NOT what IS!
I can see us having 3 boxes on top of the TV in 10 years
one for BBC, one for ITV+CH4 and one for sky channels. With each of them promising the earth and US losing out somewhere along the line.
Connecting them all together is going to be fun? What is the name of the that new HDTV connector? What about the SCART connector? I remember getting my Sky analogue system and paying £25 for a SCART lead to connect to the decoder.
What the hell am I going to do with all my old stuff? Wait 50 year and flog it on Ebay as an old 625 historic?
Bandwidth is also going to be a major problem. With the introduction of HDTV hogging more space this is going to make smaller outfits (for the want of a better word) with blocky/artifact pictures...
That brings me onto the next headache. Protection! As very large plasma/projection people know due to the protection system that stops you copying your disk IT also allows you to see the protection on the picture image itself. Lets hope they get this ironed out quick.
From Pink Floyd The Wall 'I've got 13 channels of
on the TV to choose from' Oh how true.. Do you find with all the channels you drift back to the same 4?
Excuse quickly bashed out message
scared but happy - HiDef is an established, world spanning picture format already in use, supersceedes everything else.
Its an international standard too - and has a number of resolutions, like 720p or 480i etc.
Scart sockets will be a thing of the past, sorry but that 25 quid cable is gona be in the bin, one day.
Its all digital now, DVI or HDMI (or progresive scan..), already in use on PC LCD monitors etc.
As for copy protection, HDMI socket is an encrypted data transfer, when decrypted you wont see any copy protection in the image. You just wont be able to digitaly copy the picture, sky+ type boxs will still work (I hope).
As for blocky pics, not with HiDef, tho a lot depends on how they've compressed the pic it seems daft to broadcast HDTV with artifacts.
Its an international standard too - and has a number of resolutions, like 720p or 480i etc.
Scart sockets will be a thing of the past, sorry but that 25 quid cable is gona be in the bin, one day.
Its all digital now, DVI or HDMI (or progresive scan..), already in use on PC LCD monitors etc.
As for copy protection, HDMI socket is an encrypted data transfer, when decrypted you wont see any copy protection in the image. You just wont be able to digitaly copy the picture, sky+ type boxs will still work (I hope).
As for blocky pics, not with HiDef, tho a lot depends on how they've compressed the pic it seems daft to broadcast HDTV with artifacts.
RobDickinson said:
As for blocky pics, not with HiDef, tho a lot depends on how they've compressed the pic it seems daft to broadcast HDTV with artifacts.
Yes, but we were promised that with digital 'quality', it is still going to be the same main broadcast channels get higher bandwidth.
TBH I think the only ones who are going to be the main benefactors of all this is Sky and I dont think this will give an open free market.
I know I will buy one the same as everyone else but sky is obviously hitting hard next year with their HDTV format to kill off any competition before it starts. I presume because of the shortsightedness of Freeview.
Anyhow I still recon this is a backdoor scheme to force PPV on the BBC as they must be losing quite a lot.
>> Edited by scared but happy on Tuesday 20th December 22:34
I can confirm that HDTV is pretty much a worldwide standard. The cameras we use to shoot location stuff on (drama etc) are exactly the same as used in the US.
They are menu-driven, and can be switched between HD and SD (either NTSC or PAL for SD).
www.optexint.com/sales/cameras/hdwf750.html
Sky have been shooting football matches in HD for many months now, its just that the final transmission is in PAL, so viewers don't get the benefit.
www.telegenic.co.uk/htm/Outside_Broadcast_Units_T8.html
Most television in the UK is still shot on PAL, mostly on DVCAM these days (sad I know, but thats what accountants do to us
, DigiBeta is hardly used anymore). This will change gradually, starting with the high-end stuff like Nature documentaries, Holby City, Eastenders, Children's TV - they'll all switch over the years. Possibly the last programming to change will be the News, and I doubt that they will ever use HD on location on the news, its just not feasible.
I should add that shooting more material on HD is going to provide big problems for television in this country - the added definition will mean that previously passable errors, like things being slightly out of focus, or cheap sets, even logos on background products - these are all going to take time and money to work around, and I expect that there will be several large increases in the licence fee (or advertising revenue) to compensate.
They are menu-driven, and can be switched between HD and SD (either NTSC or PAL for SD).
www.optexint.com/sales/cameras/hdwf750.html
Sky have been shooting football matches in HD for many months now, its just that the final transmission is in PAL, so viewers don't get the benefit.
www.telegenic.co.uk/htm/Outside_Broadcast_Units_T8.html
Most television in the UK is still shot on PAL, mostly on DVCAM these days (sad I know, but thats what accountants do to us
, DigiBeta is hardly used anymore). This will change gradually, starting with the high-end stuff like Nature documentaries, Holby City, Eastenders, Children's TV - they'll all switch over the years. Possibly the last programming to change will be the News, and I doubt that they will ever use HD on location on the news, its just not feasible. I should add that shooting more material on HD is going to provide big problems for television in this country - the added definition will mean that previously passable errors, like things being slightly out of focus, or cheap sets, even logos on background products - these are all going to take time and money to work around, and I expect that there will be several large increases in the licence fee (or advertising revenue) to compensate.
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