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The below article is just an example of a movement going on nationwide here. I don't care for Falwell or his involvement; him aside, this issue is has long been brewing. MY QUESTION: If we must not mention Christmas, why is Hannukah(sp?) and Ramadan freely slapped about? That is not a point in the example article, but happens frequently around the nation. It seems those who scream "it offends me" the loudest, gets the consideration. All or nothing I say.....is that not fair???
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Has anyone actually complained about it being called a Christmas Tree? Or is it just the over-zealous politically-correct department of Boston Council?
Religous/cultural tolerance has to cut both ways. I'll be tolerant of your (generic "you"
beliefs where they cause me no harm and expect you to be tolerant of mine where they cause you no harm.
Religous/cultural tolerance has to cut both ways. I'll be tolerant of your (generic "you"
beliefs where they cause me no harm and expect you to be tolerant of mine where they cause you no harm.
jimbeaux said:
An on-line poll conducted by a local television station revealed that many people resent the ambiguity of the term "holiday tree."
"A Christmas tree. That's what it is,'' wrote one resident. "And thank you to . . . the good folks of Nova Scotia for giving Boston these beautiful CHRISTMAS TREES year after year. Merry Christmas!!!"
However, others said state organizations should try to include people of all faiths in the holiday season.
Duh its a Christian holiday everyone is welcome, the same way as I hope we are wecome to celebrate any other faith's holiday. They should enjoy it for what it is not try and change it suit them, its not theres to change
It's got nothing to do with christianity anyway. Oh the irony.
There was an unspecified number of wise men that turned up on twelth night bearing gifts but christmas has got bog all to do with christianity. Unless you are a raving maniac who opts out of the commercial bollox and puts ashes in their hair come lent.
There was an unspecified number of wise men that turned up on twelth night bearing gifts but christmas has got bog all to do with christianity. Unless you are a raving maniac who opts out of the commercial bollox and puts ashes in their hair come lent.
planetdave said:
It's got nothing to do with christianity anyway. Oh the irony.
I always thought it was a christian holiday, just checked the dictionary and yep they think so to
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http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=13411
Christmas Show phonetics
noun [C or U]
(the period just before and after) 25 December, a Christian holy day which celebrates the birth of Christ:
Personally I will celebrate any holiday that comes along.
this season we get
Christmas - for Christians and consumers
New year for Atheists and Scotsmen (I’m both)
Eid Al Adha for the Muslims
I will be taking each and every one and raising a glass to whoever is celebrating.
From a time off point of view the Muslim one is the best - 4 days
this season we get
Christmas - for Christians and consumers
New year for Atheists and Scotsmen (I’m both)
Eid Al Adha for the Muslims
I will be taking each and every one and raising a glass to whoever is celebrating.
From a time off point of view the Muslim one is the best - 4 days
Dave I agree with you. The chances are that the birth was closer to when we celebrate Easter than December 25th is neither here no there, and the only reason Christmas is celebrated when it is, is because the Winter Equinox was a useful festival for early missionaries to Europe to hijack.
Once thing that puzzles me is why the UK is percieved as a "Christian" country, ok the majority of folks would claim to be if given any of the world faiths (accepting the agnostic/atheist arguement), but this is only because Christian missionaries came to the UK many years ago and slowly went about spreading the gospel, in a similar way that Islam is today, as such when our laws etc were passed, they were created from a broadly Chistian perspective. Christians have no right to call the UK a Christian nation, and no right to expect it to stay a country consisting of a broadly Christian people.
Personally I really dont like Christmas, it's become a great festival of commercialism, where the emphasis is on what you can get and how much you get eat/drink, not, I feel, what it's ment to be at all.
Regards
Iain
Once thing that puzzles me is why the UK is percieved as a "Christian" country, ok the majority of folks would claim to be if given any of the world faiths (accepting the agnostic/atheist arguement), but this is only because Christian missionaries came to the UK many years ago and slowly went about spreading the gospel, in a similar way that Islam is today, as such when our laws etc were passed, they were created from a broadly Chistian perspective. Christians have no right to call the UK a Christian nation, and no right to expect it to stay a country consisting of a broadly Christian people.
Personally I really dont like Christmas, it's become a great festival of commercialism, where the emphasis is on what you can get and how much you get eat/drink, not, I feel, what it's ment to be at all.
Regards
Iain
willmcc said:
Personally I will celebrate any holiday that comes along.
this season we get
Christmas - for Christians and consumers
New year for Atheists and Scotsmen (I’m both)
Eid Al Adha for the Muslims
I will be taking each and every one and raising a glass to whoever is celebrating.
From a time off point of view the Muslim one is the best - 4 days
It would be nice, and simple, if everyone took your practical approach.
Cotty said:
It's got nothing to do with christianity anyway. Oh the irony.
I always thought it was a christian holiday, just checked the dictionary and yep they think so to
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http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=13411
Christmas Show phonetics
noun [C or U]
(the period just before and after) 25 December, a Christian holy day which celebrates the birth of Christ:
Are you going to turn away gifts till Jan 6th? How about the ashes (no - not those)?. Trees in the house is about as pagan as you can get. Now there's multicultural for you. Are you Polytheistic?
Yes it's a Christian holy day. But trees/pressies aint part of it. And as C33 pointed out it's prolly miles from the true date. You'd think someone would have noted it down.
chassis 33 said:
Dave I agree with you. The chances are that the birth was closer to when we celebrate Easter than December 25th is neither here no there, and the only reason Christmas is celebrated when it is, is because the Winter Equinox was a useful festival for early missionaries to Europe to hijack.
Once thing that puzzles me is why the UK is percieved as a "Christian" country, ok the majority of folks would claim to be if given any of the world faiths (accepting the agnostic/atheist arguement), but this is only because Christian missionaries came to the UK many years ago and slowly went about spreading the gospel, in a similar way that Islam is today, as such when our laws etc were passed, they were created from a broadly Chistian perspective. Christians have no right to call the UK a Christian nation, and no right to expect it to stay a country consisting of a broadly Christian people.
Personally I really dont like Christmas, it's become a great festival of commercialism, where the emphasis is on what you can get and how much you get eat/drink, not, I feel, what it's ment to be at all.
Regards
Iain
Agree with the over-commercialization of the holiday, thus, the "put Christ back in Christmas" movement.
planetdave said:
Yes it's a Christian holy day. But trees/pressies aint part of it. And as C33 pointed out it's prolly miles from the true date. You'd think someone would have noted it down.
A few points...
Just cost the timing isnt brilliant (afterall how many of these religious festivals happen on anythin other than an arbitary date, or one thought to be there-or-there-abouts) doesn't mean it shoudl be discounted.
Never understood the dead tree thing, unless ist some twisted flagellation to punish the excesses of Christmas by splintering yourself on pine needles for the next 4months.
Presents are meant to be symbolic of the 'wise' men, again the 12night timing isnt brilliant, it was probably 18months or so later they arrived, you couldnt Fly Emirates then, only Ride Camel!
Regards
Iain
. Do you do the quotes for book covers and films?planetdave said:
Are you going to turn away gifts till Jan 6th? How about the ashes (no - not those)?. Trees in the house is about as pagan as you can get. Now there's multicultural for you. Are you Polytheistic?
No the opposite.
Religion has no part in my Christmas. I dont decorate or send cards. I see my family who do decorate, eat turky, get drunk and watch the Great Escape again. Oh and swap a few presents which I could do without
I'm in Boston until xmas, and have seen said tree!
Was in a taxi last night and cabbie was harping on about it, other than that though doesn't really seem to be a big deal over here.
Probably some counciller afraid of his own shaddow who aproved the press release.
It's still very much Christmas here, plus it's v.cold and starting to snow. Very festive indeed.
- J
Was in a taxi last night and cabbie was harping on about it, other than that though doesn't really seem to be a big deal over here.
Probably some counciller afraid of his own shaddow who aproved the press release.
It's still very much Christmas here, plus it's v.cold and starting to snow. Very festive indeed.
- J
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