No alcohol please, he's Muslim.
No alcohol please, he's Muslim.
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granville

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18,764 posts

291 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Heaven help us.

In yesterday's Daily Hysterics, a story on p29 concerning one Imran Khan, insurance salesman, taking his oppressive employers to a tribunal becuase despite several grievance meetings, they persisted in offering up booze as a minor spiv to the sales team during the festive season.

He's claiming religous discrimination and seeking damages for hurt feelings.

Of course, the argument against the claimant includes the stated rationale by the insurance company's defence concerning the differentiation of his abstinence based on religion compared to I guess, say, the stress caused to a non-Muslim alcoholic were he or she to encounter such unfortunate liquid potions and then, religion would have nothing to do with the staff member's reaction...

Then again, the fact that religious discrimination legislation exists at all is probably a singular green light for folk of this ilk to milk a little more from the unending cup of Blighty's fiscal bounty.

Another nail in the coffin, the dogs.

>> Edited by derestrictor on Friday 25th November 10:22

minimax

11,985 posts

286 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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anonymous said:
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staceyb

7,107 posts

254 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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I'm sorry but thats just bs. So its religious discrimination because the other sales reps are getting plonk at Christmas time (oops sorry am I allowed to say Christmas time or is that religious discrimination too?). What effect does it have on him what other people do? What the fk does he want a sheep instead?

Jared_m

252 posts

252 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Hmm, I don't understand this. I'm offered drinks by my bosses, colleagues, friends all the time. I don't feel hurt or offended in the slightest. Just as someone has the right to offer me something I have my right to refuse it.

There has to be more to this story, otherwise people like these abuse legislation that exists for good reasons and to be used in serious situations. If someone had thrown alcohol onto him or forced him to drink it somehow I'd understand, but they didn't.

>> Edited by Jared_m on Friday 25th November 10:31

fido

18,917 posts

285 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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cricket jokes aside, i used to work with a Pakistani guy who always used to go out drinking with us, never complained about not being able to drink - he just accepted that it was part of his religion, but we were allowed to drink & weren't excluding him. he was a complete arse-hole otherwise...

sounds like this guy wants to be in the party, but erm can't party. it's no different from being tee-total - i sometimesdon't drink (for health reasons) and you get the odd jibe about it - this guy needs to chill out a bit. i'm assuming they offered him soft drinks instead?

Don

28,378 posts

314 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Jared_m said:
Hmm, I don't understand this. I'm offered drinks by my bosses, colleagues, friends all the time. I don't feel hurt or offended in the slightest. Just as someone has the right to offer me something I have my right to refuse it.

There has to be more to this story, otherwise people like these abuse legislation that exists for good reasons and to be used in serious situations. If someone had thrown alcohol onto him or forced him to drink it somehow I'd understand, but they didn't.



After all - you can just say - "No thanks. I'm teetotal." Mind you - if I knew someone was teetotal and my standard corporate gift was booze I'd try and think up an alternative. Must be annoying seeing all your colleagues getting a bottle of whisky on Christmas Eve and you, effectively, get nothing. Crying "discrimination" is going a bit far - but an understanding manager should have dealt with that...

Cotty

42,250 posts

314 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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If it had been a box of chocolates would all the fat people on diets feel discriminated against.

I think not

The sooner someone tells this guy to grow up the better

allnighter

6,663 posts

252 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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derestrictor said:
Heaven help us.

In yesterday's Daily Hysterics, a story on p29 concerning one Imran Khan, insurance salesman, taking his oppressive employers to a tribunal becuase despite several grievance meetings, they persisted in offering up booze as a minor spiv to the sales team during the festive season.

He's claiming religous discrimination and seeking damages for hurt feelings.

Of course, the argument against the claimant includes the stated rationale by the insurance company's defence concerning the differentiation of his abstinence based on religion compared to I guess, say, the stress caused to a non-Muslim alcoholic were he or she to encounter such unfortunate liquid potions and then, religion would have nothing to do with the staff member's reaction...

Then again, the fact that religious discrimination legislation exists at all is probably a singular green light for folk of this ilk to milk a little more from the unending cup of Blighty's fiscal bounty.

Another nail in the coffin, the dogs.

>> Edited by derestrictor on Friday 25th November 10:22



Hummm , we have a paradoxical confused and self contradicting derestrictor here!
If you read the daily Mail ,then call it the Daily Hysterics why on earth are you perpetuating hysteria ? not only that you're getting irate over it! read another paper , it'll save you a lot of stress and worry.This story sounds petty and not worth the drama .Common sense will prevail I am sure.

silversun

4,373 posts

256 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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[CupraR]If he doesn't like it here he should off back where he came from! [/CupraR]

Seriously, this is just dumb. People who abuse anti-discriminatory legislation in this way just make it harder for people with geunine claims.

968

12,439 posts

278 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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derestrictor said:
Heaven help us.

In yesterday's Daily Hysterics, a story on p29 concerning one Imran Khan, insurance salesman, taking his oppressive employers to a tribunal becuase despite several grievance meetings, they persisted in offering up booze as a minor spiv to the sales team during the festive season.

He's claiming religous discrimination and seeking damages for hurt feelings.

Of course, the argument against the claimant includes the stated rationale by the insurance company's defence concerning the differentiation of his abstinence based on religion compared to I guess, say, the stress caused to a non-Muslim alcoholic were he or she to encounter such unfortunate liquid potions and then, religion would have nothing to do with the staff member's reaction...

Then again, the fact that religious discrimination legislation exists at all is probably a singular green light for folk of this ilk to milk a little more from the unending cup of Blighty's fiscal bounty.

Another nail in the coffin, the dogs.

>> Edited by derestrictor on Friday 25th November 10:22


What a tw@t.

What this story demonstrates, more than anything, is the unbelievable levels to which the compensation culture has now stooped, this chap will now use an excuse of religion to try to sue someone. It's a load of bollox frankly.

Jaglover

46,806 posts

265 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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allnighter said:
.This story sounds petty and not worth the drama .Common sense will prevail I am sure.


What at an employment tribunal?, their function is to hand out the cash generated by private enterprise to any parasites who care to lay claim to it.

Cotty

42,250 posts

314 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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allnighter said:
read another paper , .


Shocking new just in "derestrictor almost reads The Sun"

mr_tony

6,351 posts

299 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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derestrictor said:

Another nail in the coffin, the dogs.



IF you'd bothered to quote his muslim co-workers - also interviewd (in metro ahh what a lovely rag) you'd note that his collegaues both muslim and non muslim were bemused by the protest as none of them were offended in the slightest. Seems the guy has an axe to grind with the company and is grasping at straws.....

tinman0

18,231 posts

270 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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what was odd was that if you read the whole story, a muslim at the same firm several months earlier had been awarded alcohol from the incentive scheme and asked if he could change it because he didn't drink alcohol - at which point the firm gave him a totally different reward which he was more than happy with.

Marki

15,763 posts

300 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Had a weekend out in Atlantic City a few years back with a very good Jewish friend ,who introduced me to his very good friend Saji who is a devote Muslim , prays 5 times a day observes all fasting festivals , however this guy was a total party looooonatic only drinking soda or water but man what a funny funny guy and had no problem with our boozing

allnighter

6,663 posts

252 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Jaglover said:
allnighter said:
.This story sounds petty and not worth the drama .Common sense will prevail I am sure.


What at an employment tribunal?, their function is to hand out the cash generated by private enterprise to any parasites who care to lay claim to it.


Oh come on Jaglover , don't tell me that a bottle of wine is cause for comprensation, besides he's not been unfairly dismissed, or treated any differently from any other employee.Surely anybody could see through this fog of a "try on"!

bga

8,134 posts

281 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Jaglover said:
allnighter said:
.This story sounds petty and not worth the drama .Common sense will prevail I am sure.


What at an employment tribunal?, their function is to hand out the cash generated by private enterprise to any parasites who care to lay claim to it.


Rubbish. Many tribunals tell the claimiant to bugger off. The ones we hear about tend to be the exceptions. The wife attends these regularly for a very large firm, most of the claims are settled in their favour.

Cotty

42,250 posts

314 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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mr_tony said:
(in metro ahh what a lovely rag)


and good value for money

beano500

20,854 posts

305 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Cotty said:
mr_tony said:
(in metro ahh what a lovely rag)


and good value for money
You missed out a key word there..."almost"....

GKP

15,099 posts

271 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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But why is he even getting a Christmas bonus? Surely,he doesn't "do" Christmas and doesn't want to be included in the festival the majority of the UK enjoy in December.