Bruised arm - suspended teacher!!
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If that were my lad that had locked a girl in a cupboard, he'd have more than a bruised arm to worry about!
If that were my lad that had locked a girl in a cupboard, he'd have more than a bruised arm to worry about!
Being the mother of a child who WAS assaulted by a teacher
I am afraid to say that this does go on in our schools and the perpertraters go to great depths to cover their backs
and clear their names.
I am sure some of these teachers are entirely innocent,but unfortunately some are not.
I am afraid to say that this does go on in our schools and the perpertraters go to great depths to cover their backs
and clear their names.
I am sure some of these teachers are entirely innocent,but unfortunately some are not.
This whole "child protection" thing has gone mad.
Nobody can condone deliberate child abuse - and all the rules and systems put in place to protect kids are there for the right reasons.
But - the problem is that those procedures are now fixed, so, once started, there's no turning back, no opportunity to say "this is just silly". No, the blinkers go on, the automatic child protection machine kicks into gear, the circumstances seem to be ignored and, as was explained to me only this week, the rights of the child override the rights of the adult.
This is a subject close to my heart as I do volunteer work with kids, and, although nothing has happened affecting me, the fact that any parent with a grudge can hang you out to dry, is becoming all too apparent, and I am right on the verge of giving it up altogether...
This whole who can I blame, who can I get compensation from whose fault is it, anybody but mine, bloody misinformed politic-driven vote-seeking do-goody culture that we live in, is just mad.
Why can't people take responsibility for their own (and their chidren's) actions and concede that if wee Johnny hadn't been acting like a spoilt wee brat then it would never have happened in the first place?
Nobody can condone deliberate child abuse - and all the rules and systems put in place to protect kids are there for the right reasons.
But - the problem is that those procedures are now fixed, so, once started, there's no turning back, no opportunity to say "this is just silly". No, the blinkers go on, the automatic child protection machine kicks into gear, the circumstances seem to be ignored and, as was explained to me only this week, the rights of the child override the rights of the adult.
This is a subject close to my heart as I do volunteer work with kids, and, although nothing has happened affecting me, the fact that any parent with a grudge can hang you out to dry, is becoming all too apparent, and I am right on the verge of giving it up altogether...
This whole who can I blame, who can I get compensation from whose fault is it, anybody but mine, bloody misinformed politic-driven vote-seeking do-goody culture that we live in, is just mad.
Why can't people take responsibility for their own (and their chidren's) actions and concede that if wee Johnny hadn't been acting like a spoilt wee brat then it would never have happened in the first place?
Well I went to a normal state secondary modern school in Hyde, Cheshire in the mid 1960's where it was normal to get six strokes of the cane (three strokes on each hand), for such minor offences as talking in class or handing in homework a day late..........
This usually resulted in bleeding or severe skin blisters for several days....
The woodwork teacher even kept the tip of his cane in a vat of linseed oil to keep it in "tip top" condition......
The good old days......
Nowadays teachers aren't even allowed to tell kids off because it breeches their human rights.....
This usually resulted in bleeding or severe skin blisters for several days....
The woodwork teacher even kept the tip of his cane in a vat of linseed oil to keep it in "tip top" condition......
The good old days......
Nowadays teachers aren't even allowed to tell kids off because it breeches their human rights.....
A couple of years ago while I was at school, one of the teachers hit a child.
It happened out of school, and this boy was throwing stones at the teacher's car. The teacher got the lab and smacked him one! Too right, the guy was a total arse...
but the teacher consequently got suspended. Luckily for him, he was a liked teacher, and a respected guy around the town. One of the pupil's parents started a petition to get him back at school. Hundreds of signatures later he was back.
Maybe this will happen to this head teacher?... I don't know if Scottish and English law differs over this, but it's the sort of area it would.
It happened out of school, and this boy was throwing stones at the teacher's car. The teacher got the lab and smacked him one! Too right, the guy was a total arse...
but the teacher consequently got suspended. Luckily for him, he was a liked teacher, and a respected guy around the town. One of the pupil's parents started a petition to get him back at school. Hundreds of signatures later he was back.
Maybe this will happen to this head teacher?... I don't know if Scottish and English law differs over this, but it's the sort of area it would.
"Sooner or later all teachers will hit a pupil." Keep The Aspidistra Flying" - George Orwell.
I am proud to say that my thesis on the subject contributed to the debate that got corporal punishment banned from Scottish schools permanently.
class.
>> Edited by mojocvh on Tuesday 8th November 02:30
>> Edited by mojocvh on Tuesday 8th November 02:33
I am proud to say that my thesis on the subject contributed to the debate that got corporal punishment banned from Scottish schools permanently.
class.
>> Edited by mojocvh on Tuesday 8th November 02:30
>> Edited by mojocvh on Tuesday 8th November 02:33
Jaglover said:
The sooner that teachers are made exempt from prosecution, if they have to restrain children to ensure their own safety, or that of the other children, the better.
I agree the sooner they are exampt from prosecution the sooner they will get battered for this kind of behaviour. When I went to school pupils were regularly assaulted for not standing still in the queue to get into school. They were then assaulted for being late, not doing homework and just about any other thing the facist regime could dream up. Having experienced this, my opinion is that this is a totally inapropriate way to treat children. We have most certainly allowed the pendulmn to swing too far. We now send little boys who rape their teachers on holiday cos they have had such a hard life rather than drawing a line in the sand which society will not allowed to be crossed.
As an educationalist of 20 years experience let me suggest that the head teacher should have had more control in the first place over what was happening in his school. Locking someone in a room? Could not have happened in my school how about yours?
OMG 
I've been abused. The Abuse consisted of:
Straight finger jab to the solarplexus.
Suspended by my tie.
Hit with a 6" wooden board rubber on the back of the head (That
hurts!)
Hit with a wooden yard stick.
Caned.
And to be honest I deserved each one. The teachers had given plenty of warning and I didn't listen. I bear none of them any malice and have laughed about some of it in the pub with them since. It taught you that there was a line between being boisterous and over doing it. Sure, it's a bit brutal, but it bloody well works. The class soon calms down after something like that happens!
Bring back the cane, that'll calm them down a bit
I've been abused. The Abuse consisted of: Straight finger jab to the solarplexus.
Suspended by my tie.
Hit with a 6" wooden board rubber on the back of the head (That
hurts!) Hit with a wooden yard stick.
Caned.
And to be honest I deserved each one. The teachers had given plenty of warning and I didn't listen. I bear none of them any malice and have laughed about some of it in the pub with them since. It taught you that there was a line between being boisterous and over doing it. Sure, it's a bit brutal, but it bloody well works. The class soon calms down after something like that happens!
Bring back the cane, that'll calm them down a bit
a friend of mine has been a teacher for about 25 years and was suspended for tapping a kid on the head with a pencil. the kid was chatting all through class and had been asked to stop but didnt. the kid complained and my friend was out, ridiculous! if teachers cant disipline our children (and they are really NOT allowed to these days) then is it any wonder that children think they can get away with anything they like.
if they arent taught right and wrong, they wont know the difference between the two.
if they arent taught right and wrong, they wont know the difference between the two.
This country is becoming progressively strangled with legislation brought in to address a minority of wrong-doers, in every sphere of life, those who go too far and who could be dealt with by sensible application of existing rules and morals.
This applies to handgun legislation, teachers' discipline, off-road driving, speed enforcement and so on.
This applies to handgun legislation, teachers' discipline, off-road driving, speed enforcement and so on.
BliarOut said:
Bring back the cane, that'll calm them down a bit
the current education system mirrors the wishy-washy leftist nonsense which is bringing Britain to its knees. Those who cause a problem get 99% of the resources thrown at them while those who try and get on are ignored or actively hamstringed by the system. If you can't behave in a civilised manner while in school then don't expect to be treated in a civilised manner. If you are able to behave properly then you should recieve 99% of the help and support available. The longer we pander to the "needs" of trouble makers the worse the situation will get.BliarOut said:
Hit with a 6" wooden board rubber on the back of the head (That
I got that one too, problem was it was supposed to be for the kid next to me.
Another teacher threw a piece of chalk which got me in the eye (again intended for someone else) & left me with a scratched lens for 2 weeks.
Discipline is all well and good but there are some nasty buggers out there who shouldn't be given the excuse because they can't manage a class usign other methods.
bga said:
Hit with a 6" wooden board rubber on the back of the head (That
I got that one too, problem was it was supposed to be for the kid next to me.
In fairness, if I wasn't turning round to talk to the kid behind me I would have seen it coming and ducked
>> Edited by BliarOut on Tuesday 8th November 10:31
Jaglover said:
But the look on the face of that boy as I shouted at him haunts my memory to this very day.
LA
Today, you would probably be reported for shouting - "abuse" isn't just physical, you know. Talking "firmly"? No that could be demeaning if in front of others. Take him aside and talk firmly? Then you have no witnesses as to what you might have said and he (or she) can make up any old story and you have no defence. Show them up for being the silly sods they are? No that's demeaning too.
You're right LA - kids do need firm discipline, so that they learn self-discipline, in time. Without it, they grow up to think they can do what they like. Then they become parents, so even the home parental discipline is gone... and the second generation in that system have no respect for anybody, whatsoever.
Witness this country today - Blair's britain - and although it pains me to say it, it's not all his fault - it started a generation ago...
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