bird flu
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apache

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39,731 posts

314 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Ok, we're all gonna die, but just how dangerous is this flu? and what are the symptoms?

Trooper2

6,676 posts

261 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Gesundheit!

G Man

4,053 posts

290 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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To paraphase Jonathon Ross on radio this weekend, I am not worried about bird flu, do we care if a budgie gets a sniffle, now if it was tiger flue I would be bl***dy worried

up-the-dubs

4,282 posts

259 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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But tigers are already in effective quarantine in zoos around the world. Therefore they cannot infect the general population because there is no risk to the public of them walking around a corner and happening upon a sick tiger. Birds can crap on us from high, literally and figureitavly.

I don't like Ross. Never did, don't know why.

Raify

6,556 posts

278 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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how dangerous? It's killed 60 people (mostly poultry farmers) worldwide.

More people probably died from tragic gardening accidents this weekend...

ge2

298 posts

279 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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apache said:
what are the symptoms?


I think the main one is a disproportionate amount of speculative bollox on the television and in the newspapers followed by silence when something more 'newsworthy' happens.

XM5ER

5,094 posts

278 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Hmmm! Bird flu.

Now Tamiflu is the anti viral being stockpiled to "combat" the possible outbreak.

Tamiflu is made by F. Hoffmann-La Roche Ltd and Gilead who developed the drug. And the former Chairman and major shareholder in Gilead is?

Donald Rumsfeld.

Lucky fella.

Carrera2

8,352 posts

262 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Can blokes catch it too?

mr_tony

6,351 posts

299 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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not dangerous yet. HOwever if the viryus lives in humans long enough (And there are 'cluster cases' where there are carriers in asia where this is happening, then the virus can become one that instead of being bird-> humna trasition (difficult) can become human-> human transition. As it's a bird virus we would ahve very limited immunity against it - and as happened in 1918 you could see a worldwide pandemic that kills 50 million plus. It did in 1918 - more died then than in the first world war all sides put together...

Given the modern transport infrastructure the virus could spread far more quickly than in 1918 too so could be a real serious situation.

Given that we've had 3 pandemics this century (1918, 1940 something and 1960 something - both later ones smaller than 1918 - then we're due a big one sometime soon . However gien that this virus has been hanging around in asia for at least 6 years infecting small numbers of humans, this one may not be the one to cause the pandemic - but sooner or later it'll come along.

All we can hope is that quarantine processes can be put in place quick enough in a modern country like ours to contain an outbreaks sucessfully.

So if you see a pheasant sneezing - just dont eat it

planetdave

9,922 posts

283 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Apparently the first symptom is that you feel a bit peckish.



And he's gone

WHOOSH!

BliarOut

72,863 posts

269 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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If, if, if.... It gets rolled out on quiet news days. Right now, it's a complete non event. God help us if it ever amounts to anything, we'll all be too busy yawning to take any notice.

apache

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39,731 posts

314 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Yes yes but, is it like normal flu? or is it something more sisnister, cos the way i see it is a lot of people might cop for a nasty cold for a week, hardly deadly is it

timmy30

9,325 posts

257 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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As I understand it the big difference is that 'normal' flu kills in excess of 1000 people in the UK every year......whereas BIRD FLU has never killed anybody or even been caught by anybody within 3000 miles of the UK. Which is why we should all be so SCARED of BIRD FLU.

apache

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39,731 posts

314 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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So, it's a bit of a stork in a teacup then?

grass widow

2,201 posts

253 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Saw over the weekend, they're more worried about influenza, you are infectious for 3 days before having any symptoms, so by the time you know your ill, you've already infected just about everyone you've met.

And there is no vaccination for influenza.

planetdave

9,922 posts

283 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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apache said:
Yes yes but, is it like normal flu? or is it something more sisnister, cos the way i see it is a lot of people might cop for a nasty cold for a week, hardly deadly is it


A lot of folk think a nasty cold is flu. Nasty colds are similar like your cat is similar to a lion.

If we get a proper epidemic it is likely you will know someone who will die.

andy mac

73,668 posts

285 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Is it going to be a virulant as the last lot of scary diseases? SARS, Salmonella, BSE, etc...

hugoagogo

23,437 posts

263 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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each year 3-4000 people die from 'normal' flu in the uk

timmy30

9,325 posts

257 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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hugoagogo said:
each year 3-4000 people die from 'normal' flu in the uk


Something I've been pondering......it being the case that all flu virsus mutate continuosly, and that we already have a large number of strains that infect people all of the time anyway...isn't it just as likely, if not more likely, the one of the current human flu strains could mutate into a deadly version that kills rather than maim ( as it were)

mr clive

1,195 posts

282 months

Monday 7th November 2005
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Currently, human flu is on the whole, a nasty illness that will make you feel like crap. It can kill the infirm and those with weakened immune systems but most healthy people will be fine after a week in bed sipping lemsip and feeling very poorly.
For it to mutate into a highly pathogenic strain it would have to be a major mutation that is extreamly unlikely to happen overnight.

The current avian flu is already highly pathogenic and it can already infect humans. It hasnt spread worldwide because it is not infectious enough yet. You need to breath in infected material or be in very close contact to a sufferer for a prolonged period of time. For it to become highly contagious and hence pandemic causing, it requires a very small mutation relatively speaking.

Its not going to kill you tomorrow and procedures are in place to protect people and develop vaccines against it. To dismiss it as tabloid scaremongering is pretty foolish though.