China must be a helluva rich country!
China must be a helluva rich country!
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fid

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2,431 posts

270 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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:yikes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4394616.stm

srebbe64

13,021 posts

267 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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I think the Chinese are bluffing, for one reason or another. No one's gonna wait 50 years, at current (very high) profits to get a return on their investment.

fid

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2,431 posts

270 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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Exactly what I was thinking...and if they shipped most of it to China they'd probably be selling the oil for less, aswell. Either that, or the $100 billion turnover/year confused them!

pdV6

16,442 posts

291 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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...although the Chinese do traditionally play the long game...

Just wondering what would happen if, for example, Exxon were to stop supplying oil products to the US for whatever resason?

dieseljohn

2,114 posts

286 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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pdV6 said:
...although the Chinese do traditionally play the long game...

Just wondering what would happen if, for example, Exxon were to stop supplying oil products to the US for whatever resason?


War with China I'd imagine.

pdV6

16,442 posts

291 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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Indeed. Just wondering how all the military equipment might get around on restricted fuel supplies

fid

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2,431 posts

270 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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I'd be more worried about Russia than China atm...they seem to be picking up pace pretty quickly.

rolex

3,120 posts

288 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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Dipped my toes in "Fortune oil" several times, a favourite penny share of mine, oil interests in China, petrol stations ect They are based in Hong Kong. Mostly plugged by so called uk equity companies that mail-shot prospective investors saying the share is going to fly shortly (of course they have filled their boots first). Accordingly its share price rises just on sentiment rather then facts. The secret is to get in there before these companies plug the share and then jump out after the rise.

munky

5,328 posts

278 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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China uses a lot of oil and its demand will only increase. Thus I wouldn't be surprised if China were to make a move to secure future oil supplies.

Buffalo

5,484 posts

284 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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fid said:
I'd be more worried about Russia than China atm...they seem to be picking up pace pretty quickly.


I find all this rather amusing. Russia and China weren't "developing" nations in the eyes of the western world until we started exploring for oil, gold and other commodities over there. We get (sometimes...) a licence to go over there, flood the place with money, people, cars etc that open the eyes of the local population to such tastes. We find what we are looking for and exploit it, thus opening up a local market for the iterms we produce (in particular oil). The more we find and develop, the more the locals get in on it and the more they desire, so the loop is self-propelling...

Mad really - but only ourselves to blame. Wouldn't worry me if China got hod of Exxon. Can't be more corrupt than they already are....

fid

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2,431 posts

270 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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Buffalo said:

fid said:
I'd be more worried about Russia than China atm...they seem to be picking up pace pretty quickly.
I find all this rather amusing. Russia and China weren't "developing" nations in the eyes of the western world until we started exploring for oil, gold and other commodities over there. We get (sometimes...) a licence to go over there, flood the place with money, people, cars etc that open the eyes of the local population to such tastes. We find what we are looking for and exploit it, thus opening up a local market for the iterms we produce (in particular oil). The more we find and develop, the more the locals get in on it and the more they desire, so the loop is self-propelling...

Mad really - but only ourselves to blame. Wouldn't worry me if China got hod of Exxon. Can't be more corrupt than they already are....
I don't consider either Russia or China to be developing nations. China seems to have been pretty happy doing its own thing, but Russia's been a bit dormant whilst funds have been low...but that's changing now. Good on 'em, they've worked hard

R988

7,496 posts

259 months

Tuesday 1st November 2005
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munky said:
China uses a lot of oil and its demand will only increase. Thus I wouldn't be surprised if China were to make a move to secure future oil supplies.


They have, been making a few moves in Iran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3

jimbeaux

33,791 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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Buffalo said:

Wouldn't worry me if China got hod of Exxon. Can't be more corrupt than they already are....


If China having Exxon does nor worry you, then you are kidding yourself. Anyway, the US Government (Security & Exchange Comission) would block such a takeover under the guise of national security.

dilbert

7,741 posts

261 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2005
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In a global politicial sense the Chineese are saying that they wan't oil so badly from Iran, that for all the oil Iran has, the Chineese would be prepared to exchange all of the Nuclear weapons technology that they want.

That would include intercontinental missiles, civilian and weapons atomic technology transfer, including intangible technology transfer.

It's just their way of continuing the high stakes trade war that is going on between the Americans and the Chineese.

IMO this is the real "oil angle" of the Iraq war. (If I'm right it's not something we sould be complaining about.)

I tell you, even if it's not true, there's a Bond movie in it.

{I reckon matey that made the offer works for the Chineese "Ministry of Information". That's what the bit about the Fourteenth floor flat was all about.}

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>> Edited by dilbert on Wednesday 2nd November 02:55