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If they stopped people buying alcohol 24/7, that might help...
Personally I've never felt the need to consume alcohol on a train or bus, even as a student, but maybe I'm just old-fashioned.
It won't be long before we get fined for wearing a loud shirt in a built-up area after the hours of darkness...
Personally I've never felt the need to consume alcohol on a train or bus, even as a student, but maybe I'm just old-fashioned.
It won't be long before we get fined for wearing a loud shirt in a built-up area after the hours of darkness...
In the last few days I emailed my MP (labour - a decent soul who opposed the Iraq war) to say that as a "traditional" labour voter, the last straw had now broken the camels back and he would have to do without my support in the future.
I cited a number of things:
Attack on civil liberties (anti-terrorism laws being misused)
Proposed changes to secondary education
Various half-arsed public/private initiatives
Attacks on motorists
"Nannyism"
Of course, that leaves me with no-one to vote for, but there you go...
Prof Beard
I cited a number of things:
Attack on civil liberties (anti-terrorism laws being misused)
Proposed changes to secondary education
Various half-arsed public/private initiatives
Attacks on motorists
"Nannyism"
Of course, that leaves me with no-one to vote for, but there you go...
Prof Beard
Jaglover said:
Why do we need restrictions on people's lives, let people buy as much alcohol as they like and if they commit crimes lock them up. Why should we abandon the concept of individual responsibility?.
Because an increasing number of people can't take individual responsibility. I was student in the 1980's in Nottingham and the city centre was a fine place to be at chucking-out time on a Friday/Saturday night. I never saw any street fights, drunken brawls, intimidation etc - you just bailed out at 11pm and got the last bus home. I never felt threatened. Even pensioners would get on board and have a knees-up after a night out.
Is it like that now, and if not, why not?
simpo two said:
Why do we need restrictions on people's lives, let people buy as much alcohol as they like and if they commit crimes lock them up. Why should we abandon the concept of individual responsibility?.
Because an increasing number of people can't take individual responsibility. I was student in the 1980's in Nottingham and the city centre was a fine place to be at chucking-out time on a Friday/Saturday night. I never saw any street fights, drunken brawls, intimidation etc - you just bailed out at 11pm and got the last bus home. I never felt threatened. Even pensioners would get on board and have a knees-up after a night out.
Is it like that now, and if not, why not?
I have been on the night-bus in Nottingham with a load of singing pensioners in the last few years.
The problem is not as bad as people think. Mostly down to the media IMO.
Perhaps the Govt should finally legislate against themselves.
So I don't travel on trains much but I can honestly say that the ONLY people I have ever seen drinking to excess on a train were Post Office Managers on a Midland Mainline St Pancras > Sheffield service one evening.
The three of them took it in turns to buy bottles of claret and by the time they had staggered off at Chesterfield (Post Office AGD offices based there) they had consumed four bottles between them and were thoroughly pished ash newts.
The carriage had to suffer them talking about how they were going to deal with the expenses situation especially the fourth bottle problem.
Obviously it is all down to civil (haha) servants (haha) behaving badly.
So I don't travel on trains much but I can honestly say that the ONLY people I have ever seen drinking to excess on a train were Post Office Managers on a Midland Mainline St Pancras > Sheffield service one evening.
The three of them took it in turns to buy bottles of claret and by the time they had staggered off at Chesterfield (Post Office AGD offices based there) they had consumed four bottles between them and were thoroughly pished ash newts.
The carriage had to suffer them talking about how they were going to deal with the expenses situation especially the fourth bottle problem.
Obviously it is all down to civil (haha) servants (haha) behaving badly.
It says "Public Transport". That means planes as well. Can you see the airlines backing this?
Anyway, it's all a smoke screen to cover the "bad news story" announced yesterday concerning (yet again) David Blunkett breaching House of Commons rules.
They have a big closet somewhere at No.10 which contains a batch of "stories" that they hold in abeyance until they want to divert attention from something they would prefer not to be discussed. These stories usually relate to propsed "Bans" on various activities.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 30th October 12:27
Anyway, it's all a smoke screen to cover the "bad news story" announced yesterday concerning (yet again) David Blunkett breaching House of Commons rules.
They have a big closet somewhere at No.10 which contains a batch of "stories" that they hold in abeyance until they want to divert attention from something they would prefer not to be discussed. These stories usually relate to propsed "Bans" on various activities.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 30th October 12:27
Eric Mc said:
It says "Public Transport". That means planes as well. Can you see the airlines backing this?
Anyway, it's all a smoke screen to cover the "bad news story" announced yesterday concerning (yet again) David Blunkett breaching House of Commons rules.
They have a big closet somewhere at No.10 which contains a batch of "stories" that they hold in abeyance until they want to divert attention from something they would prefer not to be discussed. These stories usually relate to propsed "Bans" on various activities.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 30th October 12:27
Wouldn't surprise me if it was timed as a smokescreen.
Think I read somewhere that the ban may exclude alcohol bought on the transport ( e.g a beer on your flight etc. ).
The Labour Government just seem to come up with never-ending crass-headed "solutions" to "non-problems" -
- *Drinking* on public transport is NOT an issue ............. pissed-up louts who have had 10 pints in pub/club before staggering onto the train *can* be a problem ... but banning drinking on public transport won't solve it . How can the Government be SO stupid not to see this ..... Ah
- perhaps its 'cos they never use public transport and never see the real issues from the confines of their ministerial limo. 
>> Edited by alfaman on Sunday 30th October 13:22
mr bee said:
Good old Tony. Now his nanny state wants to stop us having glass of wine,(or a can of special brew) on the train. For feck sake. Where is it going to end ?Participating in this monsterous act is now anti social behaviour.
First ban smoking on trains then ban drinking on trains.
Ban smoking in pubs then ??????????
I can imagine the problems airlines would have with this?
No alcohol consumption until the plane leaves UK airspace, or conversly, the cabin staff running around whipping drinks out of passengers' hands as soon as the aircraft ENTERS UK airspace.
(Good afternnon BA721, this is London Centre - you are cleared to flight level 240. Please turn to a heading of 180 degrees and ensure that all passengers have stopped knocking back the martinis).
Would foreign airlines have to comply?
Would non-UK registered aircraft be exempt?
If so, would UK airlines re-tregister their planes under a flag of convenience so they WOULD be exempt.
And then there's Eurostar. At what point under the Channel could you pop a tinny?
No alcohol consumption until the plane leaves UK airspace, or conversly, the cabin staff running around whipping drinks out of passengers' hands as soon as the aircraft ENTERS UK airspace.
(Good afternnon BA721, this is London Centre - you are cleared to flight level 240. Please turn to a heading of 180 degrees and ensure that all passengers have stopped knocking back the martinis).
Would foreign airlines have to comply?
Would non-UK registered aircraft be exempt?
If so, would UK airlines re-tregister their planes under a flag of convenience so they WOULD be exempt.
And then there's Eurostar. At what point under the Channel could you pop a tinny?
Eric Mc said:
I can imagine the problems airlines would have with this?
No alcohol consumption until the plane leaves UK airspace, or conversly, the cabin staff running around whipping drinks out of passengers' hands as soon as the aircraft ENTERS UK airspace.
(Good afternnon BA721, this is London Centre - you are cleared to flight level 240. Please turn to a heading of 180 degrees and ensure that all passengers have stopped knocking back the martinis).
Surely it isn't much different now, they come around and whip away your empties and put up your tables before final approach anyway, while the aircraft is usually still over water.
Eric Mc said:
And then there's Eurostar. At what point under the Channel could you pop a tinny?
When you can smell the onions
I don't see there would be a difference. I don't believe they let you hold your half full beer can at touchdown. At least I've never seen it. Plus they stop serving drinks some time before landing anyway on international flights.
Wouldn't London Centre be calling them Speedbird 721 rather than BA721?
Eric Mc said:
Good afternnon BA721, this is London Centre
Wouldn't London Centre be calling them Speedbird 721 rather than BA721?
Saw some chav pissing on the track from the platform last night. He then got on the train, and about 10 minutes later whipped his knob out. Disgusting. If only I had the number for the Transport Police. However, the reason for the rant is that of course drink was to blame for this guy's behaviour, oh and the fact he is obviously a few cans short of a six pack...
simpo two said:
Why do we need restrictions on people's lives, let people buy as much alcohol as they like and if they commit crimes lock them up. Why should we abandon the concept of individual responsibility?.
Because an increasing number of people can't take individual responsibility.
Exactly and eroding yet more freedom is a pretty dumb way to redress the balance IMO. This bunch of inept w*nkers think that endless legislation will cure everything and I cite the pointless and unenforcable 'mobile phone' law as an example. We need more plod to do real policing not filling out paperwork, empower authority figures, let teachers whack the shit out of chavs and stop granting human rights as get out clauses to criminals
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