Education and brainwashing
Discussion
Seen this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4370446.stm
I'm sure JagLover can correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this basically mean that in theory any religious group (or in fact any group with money) could donate x amount of money which would then mean they have control over the curriculum taught at the school?
I can't be the only one who finds the prospect of people being allowed to pay so they can indoctrinate a future generation of children in whatever the hell they like disturbing?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4370446.stm
I'm sure JagLover can correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this basically mean that in theory any religious group (or in fact any group with money) could donate x amount of money which would then mean they have control over the curriculum taught at the school?
I can't be the only one who finds the prospect of people being allowed to pay so they can indoctrinate a future generation of children in whatever the hell they like disturbing?
I understand what they're trying to do, i.e. hand responsibility for funding education over to someone else, but surely they can see the potential for disaster here?
Would you want your children's school taken over by an extreme right-wing Christian fundamentalist group purely because they can afford to pay the requisite amount of money?
Would you want your children's school taken over by an extreme right-wing Christian fundamentalist group purely because they can afford to pay the requisite amount of money?
i believe the 'independant working class association' website carried a story about this going on around Durham i think it was... will dig around for the story..
basically this exact thing going on - the council closing the comps claiming they are failing schools that didnt improve, and allow some crackpots with enough money to open a new school...
basically this exact thing going on - the council closing the comps claiming they are failing schools that didnt improve, and allow some crackpots with enough money to open a new school...
Jaglover said:
Much has been made of the new education white paper as a liberating force for schools.
If you actually study concrete policy proposals however, the government is giving little extra powers to schools and is imposing new restrictions in the form of social engineering of their intake.
How do you mean, "social engineering of their intake" ?
lord summerisle said:
www.iwca.info/cor/cor0024.htm
Oh no! not this crap again. My children go to school not a million miles away from there too
scorp said:
How do you mean, "social engineering of their intake" ?
Part of the governments proposals is that schools should pay less attention to the catchment area in their admissions and that they should also try and ensure that their intake of all three bands matches that of the national average.
Some of this is at present proposed to be voluntary, but you can see the direction it is heading.
Jaglover said:
How do you mean, "social engineering of their intake" ?
Part of the governments proposals is that schools should pay less attention to the catchment area in their admissions and that they should also try and ensure that their intake of all three bands matches that of the national average.
Some of this is at present proposed to be voluntary, but you can see the direction it is heading.
Yeah i understood about that much while reading about it the other day, its the 'social engineering' aspect which sounds worrying, i moved to my area primarily because it had one of the highest ranked primary schools in the UK, am i to expect hundreds of unteachable feral kids from miles around to invade the school ?
If you are in a nice area, your school will have too many bright children, so under the current proposals those being bused to your school will be indeed the above mentioned feral children.
Those most likely to benefit by being bused to a better school, ie bright poor children, will be the ones least likely to be bused.
Those most likely to benefit by being bused to a better school, ie bright poor children, will be the ones least likely to be bused.
Jaglover said:
If you are in a nice area, your school will have too many bright children, so under the current proposals those being bused to your school will be indeed the above mentioned feral children.
Those most likely to benefit by being bused to a better school, ie bright poor children, will be the ones least likely to be bused.
Well i can look on the bright side, i had to go to a poorly performing state school in a poor area, and ended up teaching myself stuff in the end to get were i am. I guess the goverment will have to think up some way to prevent that at some point in the future i suppose
and how does this white paper help the special needs children
or dont they indeed matter because after all they are not mainstream.
Sorry but the idea stinks for all children involved.
the buck stops at the governers
and the head can legitematly over rule them
so anything goes.
schools with no controlling body at all..
schools that call the shots.
heads that say I dont want children with learning disabilities in my school and get away with it
ho hum hear we go again
fantastic not...................
or dont they indeed matter because after all they are not mainstream.
Sorry but the idea stinks for all children involved.
the buck stops at the governers
and the head can legitematly over rule them
so anything goes.
schools with no controlling body at all..
schools that call the shots.
heads that say I dont want children with learning disabilities in my school and get away with it
ho hum hear we go again
fantastic not...................
I can't really see how it would make a change. X amount of kids requier education. It matters not a jot what a white paper says, or where the kids end up. Tthe only way to improve their learning is improved teaching standards, and improved parental teaching. Parents need to take more interest in their childrens education, rather than just sitting them in front of TV of an evening.
Now is it just me, or historically is it like this:
People with money pay for private education, and their kids do very well.
People without money rely on the state, but they live in a nice area, so their kids do ok.
People without money rely on the state, but they live in a dodgy area, so their kids do badly.
Why then does it appear that the Labour government has a problem with the first point, and is blaming it for the third point?
People with money pay for private education, and their kids do very well.
People without money rely on the state, but they live in a nice area, so their kids do ok.
People without money rely on the state, but they live in a dodgy area, so their kids do badly.
Why then does it appear that the Labour government has a problem with the first point, and is blaming it for the third point?
Parrot of doom said:
Now is it just me, or historically is it like this:
People with money pay for private education, and their kids do very well.
People without money rely on the state, but they live in a nice area, so their kids do ok.
People without money rely on the state, but they live in a dodgy area, so their kids do badly.
Why then does it appear that the Labour government has a problem with the first point, and is blaming it for the third point?
In the 2nd category tends to be parents without quite as much money as in the 1st category, or who live in so nice an area that they rely on state education despite the fact they could afford to go private.
A decent state education is not free; you need to have enough money to live in the catchment area of a good school
No, I disagree, kids with chaotic backgrounds and gibbons for parent/s 
up. Too many gibbons in one class makes them all fail.
The potential for success is there in pretty much every school for kids who want to learn.
I'd rather my kids went to a decent state school as that's life. Appreciating that we are equal. Quite a lot of privately school educated kids are smug/arrogant in later life, I observe this everywhere.
If you ask me, teaching has largely been formalised into a load of synchronised box ticking for evidence that the gummint can say "Hooray for us again", it's no education really, the kids don't have a real opportunity to learn to think fluently for themselves because of red tape, hence a qualification means absolutely jack shit. This is beginning to be apparent with degrees as well. When they think they are getting into a tight spot, they frigging well change the system.
I would add that most of my education was done at home.
Here's the latest scandal, Science is important, it teaches you how to think straight, the degrees are hard and people would rather do basket weaving etc. So, there are few science teachers and NEW LABOUR (peace be upon them) obviously have to do something about this shortage. Do you know what they are proposing? To make science a non-core subject, hence cutting timetable time>need for teachers. Hence New Labour manage to solve the unsolvable and that horrible lesbian gets to gurn at her own glory.
Shoot them all
Ohhhhhh, it makes me mad, let's replace GCSE's and A'Levels and bring in some more red tape to get rid of some other red tape, right you waste of time s at the bloody DFEE, leave us to do our jobs, you s, make our own red tape, give the kids a chance and just go and stick pins in your eyes, you s. 
up. Too many gibbons in one class makes them all fail. The potential for success is there in pretty much every school for kids who want to learn.
I'd rather my kids went to a decent state school as that's life. Appreciating that we are equal. Quite a lot of privately school educated kids are smug/arrogant in later life, I observe this everywhere.
If you ask me, teaching has largely been formalised into a load of synchronised box ticking for evidence that the gummint can say "Hooray for us again", it's no education really, the kids don't have a real opportunity to learn to think fluently for themselves because of
red tape, hence a qualification means absolutely jack shit. This is beginning to be apparent with degrees as well. When they think they are getting into a tight spot, they frigging well change the system. I would add that most of my education was done at home.
Here's the latest scandal, Science is important, it teaches you how to think straight, the degrees are hard and people would rather do basket weaving etc. So, there are few science teachers and NEW LABOUR (peace be upon them) obviously have to do something about this shortage. Do you know what they are proposing? To make science a non-core subject, hence cutting timetable time>need for teachers. Hence New Labour manage to solve the unsolvable and that horrible lesbian gets to gurn at her own glory.
Shoot them all
Ohhhhhh, it makes me
mad, let's replace GCSE's and A'Levels and bring in some more red tape to get rid of some other red tape, right you waste of time s at the bloody DFEE, leave us to do our jobs, you s, make our own red tape, give the kids a chance and just go and stick pins in your eyes, you s. Gassing Station | The Pie & Piston Archive | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff