David Davis flops
Discussion
mustard said:
Watching his speech, it is clear that the man has no personality, clearly he has pushed himself out of the race, with is poor delivery. He surely wouldn't inspire the electorate.
Clearly all the required qualification of a Tory Leader by past form
Sadly.
There again. Tories mention anything clever and good for the country they fancy doing - his Toniness does it. They mention something dumb - they're easily given a kicking for it.
Time for them to mention clever things, good for the country, but anathema to New Labour.
But do any of them have the balls to come out with things like that?
No.
Sadly.
968 said:
Watching his speech, it is clear that the man has no personality, clearly he has pushed himself out of the race, with is poor delivery. He surely wouldn't inspire the electorate.
good. he wouldnt have stood a chance against blair or brown anyway.He would have been loser no.4
his hair is too grey for the public and he just too ugly.
pathetic but true.
peterpeter said:
his hair is too grey for the public and he just too ugly.
pathetic but true.
I want to disagree with you.
But can't.
How very, very sad.
Perhaps its time the Tories recruited some famous actor to be their leader...the Americans seem to think it works.
Although how many of the luvvies think Tory?
Don said:
his hair is too grey for the public and he just too ugly.
pathetic but true.
I want to disagree with you.
But can't.
How very, very sad.
Perhaps its time the Tories recruited some famous actor to be their leader...the Americans seem to think it works.
Although how many of the luvvies think Tory?
I think Clarke has that "x"factor and Cameron looks like he's getting it too.
They need to groom the younger better looking people now.
Adam Afriye just presented a party political broadcast.He is young and goodlooking and my wife was immediately drawn to him and paid attention. People like him can out "new-labour" labour.
Do you think an ugly old fart like IDS would have kept her watching????
She is certainly not stupid, but people are attracted to better looking younger people. The sooner the tory membership wake up to this the better.
peterpeter said:
I think Clarke has that "x"factor and Cameron looks like he's getting it too.
They need to groom the younger better looking people now.
Adam Afriye just presented a party political broadcast.He is young and goodlooking and my wife was immediately drawn to him and paid attention. People like him can out "new-labour" labour.
Do you think an ugly old fart like IDS would have kept her watching????
She is certainly not stupid, but people are attracted to better looking younger people. The sooner the tory membership wake up to this the better.
Absolutely spot on.
I've not seen this depressing-sounding event but will watch it tonight.
So for now it's Ken, right?
But will he - can he dethrone an incumbent Gordo?
Everyone slags Hague these days but I remember the numbness of the wee small hours on the fateful day in 97 and how then, young slapper Mc Smartypants seemed like some kind of obvious salvation for this devastated party...
Maybe Cameron should be given free reign: do you know Labour's old guard will have him for dinner? Hmmm...
El shocker.
derestrictor said:
But will he - can he dethrone an incumbent Gordo?
El shocker.
I'm sure he can. Gordon Brown is highly unpopular, as are the Labour party, but not as unpopular as an anonymous seemingly out of touch and too right wing Conservative party. If Davis is chosen, then they can kiss goodbye to any hope of challenging for government. He was almost pathetic today, he looked uncomfortable, and frankly his speech was a cliched load of crap. At least Liam Fox delivered his crap well.
As I have said before, the fact that the Tories aren't closer to a spectacularly unpopular Labour party, particularly after the disaster that is Iraq, is testiment to how appalling their leaders are, and how out of touch the party is with the people. The Fox/Davis' of the world can shove it up their a*se if they think they can go on, and not change the party.
968 said:
But will he - can he dethrone an incumbent Gordo?
El shocker.
I'm sure he can. Gordon Brown is highly unpopular, as are the Labour party, but not as unpopular as an anonymous seemingly out of touch and too right wing Conservative party. If Davis is chosen, then they can kiss goodbye to any hope of challenging for government. He was almost pathetic today, he looked uncomfortable, and frankly his speech was a cliched load of crap. At least Liam Fox delivered his crap well.
As I have said before, the fact that the Tories aren't closer to a spectacularly unpopular Labour party, particularly after the disaster that is Iraq, is testiment to how appalling their leaders are, and how out of touch the party is with the people. The Fox/Davis' of the world can shove it up their a*se if they think they can go on, and not change the party.
Well said .... ironically if Gordon Brown becomes the main conteneder for the next Labour leader - his total lack of charisma will increae the Conservatives chances a bit (did he get the charisma bypass op. on the NHS ? )
Davis what a dull man! He always reminds me of a company director who has taken time-out from playing Golf.
I am not a fan of Clarkes but what is needed is a media whore, someone who the papers like and will go with.
They need to turn the tide of media negativity with to tories and I think Clarke is that man. He may have some 'old guard' baggage but I think he is the one to make the Labour party quake.
I don't agree they need a younger hip and trendy front man just look at Hauge's(?) record and what do they remember him for? Yup the spotty man at 16 and the silly hat at the amusement ride! Nicly done spin doctors.
As for Fox. Hmmmm. Dunno on that one.
I am not a fan of Clarkes but what is needed is a media whore, someone who the papers like and will go with.
They need to turn the tide of media negativity with to tories and I think Clarke is that man. He may have some 'old guard' baggage but I think he is the one to make the Labour party quake.
I don't agree they need a younger hip and trendy front man just look at Hauge's(?) record and what do they remember him for? Yup the spotty man at 16 and the silly hat at the amusement ride! Nicly done spin doctors.
As for Fox. Hmmmm. Dunno on that one.
I'd like to know where you get the idea that Gordon Brown is unpopular - all the analysis I've seen indicates the electorate seem to have quite a bit of confidence in him. He is more popular than Tony among Labour voters and they won last time...
(I fear Tories are indulging in wishful thinking because they hate GB so much themselves)
I don't like any of our leading politicians much myself.
Prof Beard
(I fear Tories are indulging in wishful thinking because they hate GB so much themselves)
I don't like any of our leading politicians much myself.
Prof Beard
peterpeter said:
I think Clarke has that "x"factor and Cameron looks like he's getting it too.
They need to groom the younger better looking people now.
Adam Afriye just presented a party political broadcast.He is young and goodlooking and my wife was immediately drawn to him and paid attention. People like him can out "new-labour" labour.
What is this a beauty contest?
That politics should have degenerated to this
It is virtually certain David Davis will make it through to the ballot of party members. Whether he wins the whole thing depends on who he faces there.
People need to like who they vote for - and very few Tories come across as remotely likeable.
Political leadership is about charisma, not just policies. Voters need to perceive their leader as a statesman, not just a civil servant.
Malcomm Rifkind delivered a very powerful and masterful performance the other day, but he is not "leadership" material.
Ken Clarke isn't either.
Political leadership is about charisma, not just policies. Voters need to perceive their leader as a statesman, not just a civil servant.
Malcomm Rifkind delivered a very powerful and masterful performance the other day, but he is not "leadership" material.
Ken Clarke isn't either.
Ken Clarke may be from the old school and not be that easy on the eye (nor's his missus) but for all that old duffer look, he possesses a lot of experience and political nous.
There was all that crap about Howard being the man to get the party elected and he raised the vote by 0.1% ...
If Davis gets elected wave goodbye to the next election already.
Where's MAM when you fancy a good argu... debate
There was all that crap about Howard being the man to get the party elected and he raised the vote by 0.1% ...
If Davis gets elected wave goodbye to the next election already.
Where's MAM when you fancy a good argu... debate
Jaglover said:
I think Clarke has that "x"factor and Cameron looks like he's getting it too.
They need to groom the younger better looking people now.
Adam Afriye just presented a party political broadcast.He is young and goodlooking and my wife was immediately drawn to him and paid attention. People like him can out "new-labour" labour.
What is this a beauty contest?
That politics should have degenerated to this
It is virtually certain David Davis will make it through to the ballot of party members. Whether he wins the whole thing depends on who he faces there.
sadly yes to a degree.
And until you and many other tories wake up to this sad fact, they will sit in the political wilderness for another 4 years.
Wacky Racer said:
Bring back Mrs.Thatcher!!!!!!!
The cold hard truth is the Tory party is unelectable at the moment, and into the forseeable future, a pathetic state of affairs, but there you go........
Yes, I'm sure MT would win
After all, another incoherent tory mumbling and rocking back and forth on the front row would fit right in...
The Tories seem incapable of understanding that their leader hasn't got to appeal to the Tory faithful for them to win, he/she (don't discount Theresa May) must appeal to the voters that might vote Tory if the leader was attractive to them. The Tory faithful, with their flags and Land of Hope and Glory chant, will always vote Tory whomsoever is the leader. So, don't ask the old biddies, ask the floating voters. It's a sad fact that political parties have to ask of the electorate what they want to be done and then to say that's exactly what they are going to do! Blair did, it and it worked.
Hmm, maybe not the greatest public speaker. But Davis is an awesome politician and dog fighter. Sadly may be afflicted with something of a Hague problem. I remember watching a Newsnight debate before the last election when Davis utterly destroyed Charles Clarke in front of an audience over immigration, and his Commons' performance usually make for good viewing. He just needs a bit of oomph when it comes to making a winning speech. The fact remains he is no bullshit, and that has to count for something in our current political age.
Cameron is too public schoolboy-ish. How do you win over a sceptical electorate when you embody everything the dis-illusioned Labour voter stereotypes, and mistrusts, about the Tories? Clarke sadly is even worse for this because of his association with the Thatcher/Major governments. I doubt anyone on the street would even recognise Liam Fox.
Cameron is too public schoolboy-ish. How do you win over a sceptical electorate when you embody everything the dis-illusioned Labour voter stereotypes, and mistrusts, about the Tories? Clarke sadly is even worse for this because of his association with the Thatcher/Major governments. I doubt anyone on the street would even recognise Liam Fox.
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