Are women more trouble at work?
Discussion
Just had a bit of a problem with a client.
Basically, something happened while I was working on a shoot, which the woman director didn't like that much. Anyhow, she said so, I said "ok thats fine :)", end of problem in 30 seconds flat. I'd forgotten about it by the end of the day. Spoken to a few people, and they've all confirmed that *its* more a personal preference situation, rather than an industry-wide no-no.
Anyhow, 1 week later and there is a problem thats slightly related to the one above, although I'm not even there, and apparently to save her arse this director has tried to apportion some of the blame on my shoulders ie "if it wasn't for him doing *that*, this wouldn't have then happened".
A friend I spoke to in the same industry as me told me a few months ago that its women in business who tend to create most of the issues (backstabbing, etc) - and I'm regrettably beginning to agree with him. Come across a problem when working with men, and its "ok balls to it who cares". Find the same problem with a woman and its "omg right, ok ok lets sort this out oh sh1t!"
Is this just television this happens in, or all industries? I'm getting a bit sick of being the one doing all the physical work (and believe me its hard work), and getting stabbed in the back by someone with a bloody clipboard who thinks I'm moaning when I want to stop for lunch etc.
Basically, something happened while I was working on a shoot, which the woman director didn't like that much. Anyhow, she said so, I said "ok thats fine :)", end of problem in 30 seconds flat. I'd forgotten about it by the end of the day. Spoken to a few people, and they've all confirmed that *its* more a personal preference situation, rather than an industry-wide no-no.
Anyhow, 1 week later and there is a problem thats slightly related to the one above, although I'm not even there, and apparently to save her arse this director has tried to apportion some of the blame on my shoulders ie "if it wasn't for him doing *that*, this wouldn't have then happened".
A friend I spoke to in the same industry as me told me a few months ago that its women in business who tend to create most of the issues (backstabbing, etc) - and I'm regrettably beginning to agree with him. Come across a problem when working with men, and its "ok balls to it who cares". Find the same problem with a woman and its "omg right, ok ok lets sort this out oh sh1t!"
Is this just television this happens in, or all industries? I'm getting a bit sick of being the one doing all the physical work (and believe me its hard work), and getting stabbed in the back by someone with a bloody clipboard who thinks I'm moaning when I want to stop for lunch etc.
R988 said:
I wouldn't blame women exclusively, I know plenty of men as well as women who play pathetic ego games. Some people are just T ts
I'm not really slagging her off, she was quite a nice person. Perhaps its the fact that I probably earn about 5-6 times more than she does, and I only work 100-150 days per year. Maybe she resents that, but thats her problem not mine, and if she wants the same money perhaps she should learn the skills I have....
Nearing retirement age (well nearly) I've had many years experience of working with both sexes. The one thing that stands out (shut up!) for me as deferentiating between the two is:
row with male colleague - rant, swear and exchange personal insults - down the pub for lunch - no probs.
upset a female colleague, even slightly - two years later will come back and bash you round the head with an issue you can't even remember.
Not sexist just truism
row with male colleague - rant, swear and exchange personal insults - down the pub for lunch - no probs.
upset a female colleague, even slightly - two years later will come back and bash you round the head with an issue you can't even remember.
Not sexist just truism
In my experience of working in education and advertising, I would say that there are a great many women who are back-stabbers, two faced and bitches. I much prefer working with men because they say it like it is and you too can say it like it is safe in the knowledge that they won't be slagging you off as soon as you turn your back.
I was having this same discussion with a friend of mine who works in education. She agreed that women are, on the whole, more difficult to work with. We both agreed that it is because women are so competative. They are fine until they get some kind of rank and then they treat you like someone who knows nothing, even tif you are more qualified for the job than they are.
I was having this same discussion with a friend of mine who works in education. She agreed that women are, on the whole, more difficult to work with. We both agreed that it is because women are so competative. They are fine until they get some kind of rank and then they treat you like someone who knows nothing, even tif you are more qualified for the job than they are.
EmmaP said:
In my experience of working in education and advertising, I would say that there are a great many women who are back-stabbers, two faced and bitches. I much prefer working with men because they say it like it is and you too can say it like it is safe in the knowledge that they won't be slagging you off as soon as you turn your back.
I was having this same discussion with a friend of mine who works in education. She agreed that women are, on the whole, more difficult to work with. We both agreed that it is because women are so competative. They are fine until they get some kind of rank and then they treat you like someone who knows nothing, even tif you are more qualified for the job than they are.
Yep I worked in Training and development for 20 years and spent a lot of time in Universities, Colleges and schools and they are hotbeds of little vipers. This may of course be due to the fact that we allow quite dim people to teach these days
It going to depend on the woman, isn't it?
Although I'll say this: In my role as HR Director (!
) I can confirm that in my experience one has more trouble with women than men. But this depends on the men and the women concerned. I have no idea if my experience would repeat anywhere else - and I'm not fool enough to simply assume it does.
Everyone gets a fresh chance. Once.
Although I'll say this: In my role as HR Director (!
) I can confirm that in my experience one has more trouble with women than men. But this depends on the men and the women concerned. I have no idea if my experience would repeat anywhere else - and I'm not fool enough to simply assume it does. Everyone gets a fresh chance. Once.
I think it depends on how high up the chain you are. If your at the bottom, everyone is friendly and just get on with it. Middle management and it's full of people who want to climb higher and will push you lower in order to achieve it, male or female.
For the first time in my career, I'm going to have to work with women and I'm papping my pants. After 20 yrs of working with blokes, I don't know how to talk to a woman at work - can I still swear and talk about shagging and stuff?
For the first time in my career, I'm going to have to work with women and I'm papping my pants. After 20 yrs of working with blokes, I don't know how to talk to a woman at work - can I still swear and talk about shagging and stuff?
Don said:
It going to depend on the woman, isn't it?
Although I'll say this: In my role as HR Director (!
Everyone gets a fresh chance. Once.
Having worked at senior level in three organisations I can confirm that my experience reflects that above - women do prove to be more problematic, with occasional exceptions of course.
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