Ebay moron - can you explain this?
Ebay moron - can you explain this?
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alexkp

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16,484 posts

273 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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Ok - I buy and sell the odd luxury watch now and again on ebay.

So last week I my second Omega Speedmaster Professional MoonWatch up for sale, with a "Buy It Now" of £800.

A new user with zero feedback, who reistered the same day, uses the Buy It Now feature.

Let's just say I'm not confident at this point.

So I email him. No response.

Over the next five days I email and invoice him several times. Nothing.

I then request contact details from ebay, and there is a phone number. I call this, leave a message and they get bak to me. They know nothing of this, although strangely, the person I am speaking to has a similar sounding name as the one registered on ebay.


So now fully satisified that there will be no sale I send an email to the bidder that is carefully designed to make them feel suicidal.

But what has been going on here? Why on earth do this people do this? It really does seem utterly pointless and futile.

And also, I thought you had to have a valid credit card and verifiable contact details to register with ebay - in that case ebay simply can't be checking, can they?

Anyone here able to throw some light? I really am bemused...

(Oh...and anyone want a watch? lol)

wanty1974

3,704 posts

277 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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No, you only need an email address to register - it's only when you come to pay through Paypal that you need a ccard number.

For all the popularity of eBay, and the number of really decent people using it, there are some absolute scum on there.

alexkp

Original Poster:

16,484 posts

273 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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wanty1974 said:
No, you only need an email address to register - it's only when you come to pay through Paypal that you need a ccard number.

For all the popularity of eBay, and the number of really decent people using it, there are some absolute scum on there.


Are you sure about this??? I am staggered if it is true.

I joined nearly six years ago, and you needed a CC then. Surely they have to do this to prevent under 18's registering, or many accounts by the same person?

Uriel

3,244 posts

280 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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Alexkp YHM

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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anonymous said:
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Lets say I've got a similar watch to sell. All of a sudden my competition is off the market because someone has "bought it now"......................

alexkp

Original Poster:

16,484 posts

273 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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I have just checked - you need to have a CC to register if you are using a web-based email account - as the guy who bid on my watch did.

However, if you are registering with a company, organization or incredibly a school or ISP email addy you don't need the credit card.

What on earth are ebay thinking of? They must be utterly mad!

bga

8,134 posts

280 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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wanty1974 said:
No, you only need an email address to register - it's only when you come to pay through Paypal that you need a ccard number.

For all the popularity of eBay, and the number of really decent people using it, there are some absolute scum on there.

You still need a c/c if you use one of the popular free e-mail providers - Hotmail, Yahoo etc.

scummers can still use some of the lesser known ones or buy their own domain for webmail forwarding to circumvent this control.

alexkp

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16,484 posts

273 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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Uriel said:
Alexkp YHM


I'll check it when I get home.

Cheers.

simpo two

92,707 posts

294 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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It's mindless isn't it? I would have sold my car before Christmas if some 0-feedback tt hadn't been a non-paying bidder. I expect he was just back from the pub and having a laugh. Gave address as 'Reading, London' and the phone number was a dud. Needless to say I reported him and soon afterwards saw he was deregistered. Asshole.

alexkp

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16,484 posts

273 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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simpo two said:
It's mindless isn't it? I would have sold my car before Christmas if some 0-feedback tt hadn't been a non-paying bidder. I expect he was just back from the pub and having a laugh. Gave address as 'Reading, London' and the phone number was a dud. Needless to say I reported him and soon afterwards saw he was deregistered. Asshole.


I simply cannot understand why ebay would allow anyone to register without having a valid credit card or other means of independently verifying their ID.

I actually think ebay are a dreadful company who have almost total disregard for their customers. Sadly at the moment they are in such an unassailable position that they don't really need to care either.

Unfortunately as they sit on their complacency, the entire ebay system is being slowly eroded by crooks, scammers and timewasting idiots. The amount of fake watches on ebay is now astonishing - I can only conclude that ebay don't care.

Unless they take dicisive action, I can forsee ebay becoming almost unusuable in a few years, with customer confidence slipping away.

Perhaps then another on-line auction site can step in and actually manage it's users effectively.

agent006

12,058 posts

293 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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anonymous said:
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Your auction gets buggered up by a scammer, you relist the item. Ebay gets two listing fees.

M@H

11,298 posts

301 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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agent006 said:

anonymous said:
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Your auction gets buggered up by a scammer, you relist the item. Ebay gets two listing fees.

..you get the fees back without question if you file a correct NPB notice. I've had to do this a few times myself, no hassle at all.

tinman0

18,231 posts

269 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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The ebay experience is always spoilt by the zero people. Once you've got out from the scum at the bottom its a worthwhile thing.

I think the thing ebay should do is to only allow someone to partake on an autction where you have specified a certain feedback rating.

As for their double listing scam - they'll soon be on Watchdog.

FourWheelDrift

92,248 posts

313 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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tinman0 said:
I think the thing ebay should do is to only allow someone to partake on an autction where you have specified a certain feedback rating


How will genuine new people ever be able to bid on anything.?

Anyway I haven't and will never use Ebay for all the reasons above.

tinman0

18,231 posts

269 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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FourWheelDrift said:

tinman0 said:
I think the thing ebay should do is to only allow someone to partake on an autction where you have specified a certain feedback rating



How will genuine new people ever be able to bid on anything.?

Anyway I haven't and will never use Ebay for all the reasons above.


You invite them to contact you to start with and you allow them to be added to the auction.

A fairly quick email conversation will determine whether they can speak English.

alexkp

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16,484 posts

273 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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tinman0 said:

FourWheelDrift said:


tinman0 said:
I think the thing ebay should do is to only allow someone to partake on an autction where you have specified a certain feedback rating




How will genuine new people ever be able to bid on anything.?

Anyway I haven't and will never use Ebay for all the reasons above.



You invite them to contact you to start with and you allow them to be added to the auction.

A fairly quick email conversation will determine whether they can speak English.


That is a brilliant idea Tinman.

Until they get to say five positive they have to get permission from the seller to bid first.

I will try to pass that on to ebay - but even getting in touch with the damned company is incredibly difficult.

M@H

11,298 posts

301 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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anonymous said:
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Err.. this is the Norm on Ebay anyway...!

Most "seasoned" advertisers state this at the bottom of their listings for anything of any value as a matter of course.

E.G. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=9808&item=4545989352&rd=1

Cheers,
Matt

>> Edited by M@H on Tuesday 3rd May 15:55

alexkp

Original Poster:

16,484 posts

273 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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M@H said:

anonymous said:
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Err.. this is the Norm on Ebay anyway...!

Most "seasoned" advertisers state this at the bottom of their listings for anything of any value as a matter of course.

Cheers,
Matt


Yes - I do also.

But if you have a Buy It Now feature it doesn't stop a Zero clicking the button. Neither does it stop a Zero nipping in and bidding in the closing seconds of an auction.

M@H

11,298 posts

301 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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...good point !

tinman0

18,231 posts

269 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2005
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anonymous said:
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Dont you just love sarcasm.

I'm trying to say it should be a feature available for ebay sellers and not a manual process.