The end of car tax insight???????
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The end of car tax in now insight.
With the news from the Home Office that ANPR will be linked to CCTV cameras it will soon be decided that pay per mile is now a viable tool that can be used to tax the motor car instead of the old tax disk system.
After spoon feeding the general public over several years about how CCTV will benefit the community the government has now reached its target of having them installed then on nearly every street corner.
Drivers will soon have to hand over bank details (or ID card, complete with bank details, when introduced) before being allowed a driving test and money will automatically deducted on a month by month basis.
Time for foreign plates me thinks?!?!
With the news from the Home Office that ANPR will be linked to CCTV cameras it will soon be decided that pay per mile is now a viable tool that can be used to tax the motor car instead of the old tax disk system.
After spoon feeding the general public over several years about how CCTV will benefit the community the government has now reached its target of having them installed then on nearly every street corner.
Drivers will soon have to hand over bank details (or ID card, complete with bank details, when introduced) before being allowed a driving test and money will automatically deducted on a month by month basis.
Time for foreign plates me thinks?!?!
I'd love to think that you're right drv112, but from what I've seen on the DoT site: www.dft.gov.uk, I don't think so. The advisors are proposing that the tax be raised on larger engined vehicles. 
On the site are plans up to at least 2030, so, it seems, vote for whoever you like, they've already decided mate.
It doesn't make sense to me, we should be proposing scrapping road tax, so that people of more limited means can afford to run a second smaller car for local use, with a larger car for longer journeys were they are more suited (as the Germans have for yrs). It's NOT the owning, it's the use of, that counts, and road tax prevents people from owning a second smaller/larger car.
We already have 350% tax on fuel What more do they want? This too, in the coming world is unsustainable, we cannot continue to cripple our economy in this way, better to reduce this, than the tax for the rich. Oil prices of >100 dollars a barrel have already been forcast, can you imagine that with 350% tax on top?
>> Edited by 8Pack on Sunday 10th April 03:59
On the site are plans up to at least 2030, so, it seems, vote for whoever you like, they've already decided mate.
It doesn't make sense to me, we should be proposing scrapping road tax, so that people of more limited means can afford to run a second smaller car for local use, with a larger car for longer journeys were they are more suited (as the Germans have for yrs). It's NOT the owning, it's the use of, that counts, and road tax prevents people from owning a second smaller/larger car.
We already have 350% tax on fuel
What more do they want? This too, in the coming world is unsustainable, we cannot continue to cripple our economy in this way, better to reduce this, than the tax for the rich. Oil prices of >100 dollars a barrel have already been forcast, can you imagine that with 350% tax on top? >> Edited by 8Pack on Sunday 10th April 03:59
There are about five in Cheltenham and they're all in pedestrianised areas. Road chargind will need a huge investment.
Heard of the Lorry Road Usage Charge system by any chance? This is a system which was talked about upwards of 3 years ago as a replacement for the rather unfair and uncompetitive Road Fund License that hauliers pay..... well it is supposed to level the playing field with European operators, such that they will pay for using our road network, very much in the way that we pay for using the French, Italian etc roads.... should make it much more competitive for UK hauliers to operate in our own country. Well thats the theory anyway.
The LRUC project has reached the pre-negotiation stage with suppliers looking at contract award during 2006. Anyway, what relevance does this have with car tax? Well, implementation of the LRUC is supposed to be by 2008 and full roll-out by 2010 - FIVE years away. And this is for a small percentage of the road traffic in the UK. If anything like this was to be rolled-out to cars then you are looking at 2020 at the very earliest. Therefore it makes naff all difference who you vote for at the forthcoming election. We are looking at 15 years before it changes fundamentally!
Will we be driving the same cars in 15 years time? Pretty unlikely, and who is to say that things like fuel, insurance and even the way we drive will be the same then..... so, is it something to worry about now? Nah not really.
The LRUC project has reached the pre-negotiation stage with suppliers looking at contract award during 2006. Anyway, what relevance does this have with car tax? Well, implementation of the LRUC is supposed to be by 2008 and full roll-out by 2010 - FIVE years away. And this is for a small percentage of the road traffic in the UK. If anything like this was to be rolled-out to cars then you are looking at 2020 at the very earliest. Therefore it makes naff all difference who you vote for at the forthcoming election. We are looking at 15 years before it changes fundamentally!
Will we be driving the same cars in 15 years time? Pretty unlikely, and who is to say that things like fuel, insurance and even the way we drive will be the same then..... so, is it something to worry about now? Nah not really.
drv112 said:
The end of car tax in now insight.
With the news from the Home Office that ANPR will be linked to CCTV cameras it will soon be decided that pay per mile is now a viable tool that can be used to tax the motor car instead of the old tax disk system.
After spoon feeding the general public over several years about how CCTV will benefit the community the government has now reached its target of having them installed then on nearly every street corner.
Drivers will soon have to hand over bank details (or ID card, complete with bank details, when introduced) before being allowed a driving test and money will automatically deducted on a month by month basis.
Time for foreign plates me thinks?!?!
What's your source for this? Scare stories like this have been doing the rounds for about the last 5 years (probably more). AFAIK it's never got past the stage of theoretical reports by left-wing/green think tanks.
Another one that pops it's head up regularly is speed limiters that work by GPS and automatically regulate your top speed according to the zone you're in.
Neither will get past the ideas stage IMHO.
t1grm said:
Another one that pops it's head up regularly is speed limiters that work by GPS and automatically regulate your top speed according to the zone you're in.
Neither will get past the ideas stage IMHO.
I wouldn't be so sure. Look at how fast PCs have taken ove the world. Then consider how the music and software industries are bleating about piracy, because it never occurred to them that one day we'd all own machines for copying CDs....
You've got GPS, Ipacs, computerised car systems, Trafficmaster, mobile phones. All the stuff of Star Trek only about 15 years ago.
parrot of doom said:
Totally agree - and IMO this should also pay for insurance for everybody, but hey who said common sense was a good idea?
That would be a terrible idea. It would completely remove much of the incentive to be a careful driver. People would not fear losing their no claims, and could pretty much ding doors, crunch bumpers, and drive like a t
t with impunity. People who repeatedly crashed would be getting subsidised insurance by those of us who do not. How can you think that this is a good idea?
The source comes from The Lancashire Evening Telegraph & Lancashire Police.
The Infrastructure is being put in this year after that the testing goes live later on this year or the start of next year. They are linking up CCTV with the ANPR database at the moment.
CCTV cameras are not what they seem, I only thought we had 3 around here but there are loads on buildings that look like private ones for shops but they are police/council run.
The Bibs will be able to help here, How many of you have or have heard of TETRA/AIRWAVE? This secure digital radio system has been tested in Lancashire over the past few years and should now be live across the country.
Then the trials of stop & search with Bibs having to give a form to the stopped person with full details and reasons on it, tested in Lancashire last year should have gone live nationwide by now or very soon.
Lancashire is the Home Office testing ground for the nation; I now wonder how & why Chief Constable Paul Stephenson was hand picked for the Deputy Commissioners job. “Yes Mr. Home Secretary, right away Mr. Home Secretary, 3 bags full Mr. Home Secretary, just let me get my tongue a little bit further up your rectum Mr. Home Secretary”
It is tested and perfected in Lancashire then sent nationwide.
The programming for this is so simple OCR has been around for ages and it only takes an SQL database to be linked and bang there you go. The ANPR is the OCR software and the DVLA has the SQL database just a quick search command in a programme and it is done.
The Infrastructure is being put in this year after that the testing goes live later on this year or the start of next year. They are linking up CCTV with the ANPR database at the moment.
CCTV cameras are not what they seem, I only thought we had 3 around here but there are loads on buildings that look like private ones for shops but they are police/council run.
The Bibs will be able to help here, How many of you have or have heard of TETRA/AIRWAVE? This secure digital radio system has been tested in Lancashire over the past few years and should now be live across the country.
Then the trials of stop & search with Bibs having to give a form to the stopped person with full details and reasons on it, tested in Lancashire last year should have gone live nationwide by now or very soon.
Lancashire is the Home Office testing ground for the nation; I now wonder how & why Chief Constable Paul Stephenson was hand picked for the Deputy Commissioners job. “Yes Mr. Home Secretary, right away Mr. Home Secretary, 3 bags full Mr. Home Secretary, just let me get my tongue a little bit further up your rectum Mr. Home Secretary”
It is tested and perfected in Lancashire then sent nationwide.
The programming for this is so simple OCR has been around for ages and it only takes an SQL database to be linked and bang there you go. The ANPR is the OCR software and the DVLA has the SQL database just a quick search command in a programme and it is done.
DRV112 said:
The source comes from The Lancashire Evening Telegraph & Lancashire Police.
The Infrastructure is being put in this year after that the testing goes live later on this year or the start of next year. They are linking up CCTV with the ANPR database at the moment.
CCTV cameras are not what they seem, I only thought we had 3 around here but there are loads on buildings that look like private ones for shops but they are police/council run.
The Bibs will be able to help here, How many of you have or have heard of TETRA/AIRWAVE? This secure digital radio system has been tested in Lancashire over the past few years and should now be live across the country.
Then the trials of stop & search with Bibs having to give a form to the stopped person with full details and reasons on it, tested in Lancashire last year should have gone live nationwide by now or very soon.
Lancashire is the Home Office testing ground for the nation; I now wonder how & why Chief Constable Paul Stephenson was hand picked for the Deputy Commissioners job. “Yes Mr. Home Secretary, right away Mr. Home Secretary, 3 bags full Mr. Home Secretary, just let me get my tongue a little bit further up your rectum Mr. Home Secretary”
It is tested and perfected in Lancashire then sent nationwide.
The programming for this is so simple OCR has been around for ages and it only takes an SQL database to be linked and bang there you go. The ANPR is the OCR software and the DVLA has the SQL database just a quick search command in a programme and it is done.
Not quite sure what your point was there, but just a couple of comments:
Tetra is the old police radio system which has been in place for years. In general it works well, but suffers from a couple of key flaws, but saying exactly what these are would be telling
Airwave is the new digital system which makes use of much more modern mobile technologies. It provides a bunch load of additional security features, but more importantly is supposed to deliver something like 4 - 10 times the data throughput of the previous Tetra system. Mobile data in traffic cars and on the move for Police on the "beat" is a reality today....
Lancs is not the sole testing ground for any new technologies and it is used in many different places. TVP was one of the first to roll-out the use of Airwaves and that was back in 2003/4 so it is certainly not new. However, other smaller constabularies are also testing grounds. Again mentioning who would be telling
ANPR is a good system and works well. However, to suggest that its a simple OCR system is wrong. It uses sophisticated recognition of colours, locations and symbols to get the data necessary. Its NOT 100% accurate and simple things like dirt and motorway grime can fool it (I didnt mention that right!). There are currently some tests undergoing for using CCTV with other automated systems, such as face recognition - to automatically identify criminals for example. However the computing power required is very high and its not that accurate. Expect it to be used in key terror target areas though - airports etc.
Linking CCTV to the ANPR system is totally possible and the technology is pretty simple. However, the DVLA recently admitted that 30% of the data that it holds (both cars and people) is inaccurate. Thats a huge task to resolve and dont expect it to be sorted quickly; try years. So will it be automated today / tomorrow / in a years time....? No, not for a good 10 - 15 years.
The most effective and realistic system that will be used will be a tag to be located in the vehicle. Depending on the technology used, this will trigger road side entry / exit polling sections. Or alternatively (and favoured) the GPS approach. However, the technology has been deployed in places like Austria and German but on a much simplified infrastructure. They dont even get close to the complexity that the UK is looking at..... so again, its not going to happen in a hurry.
Technical big brother could be here soon, but practically it is some way off..... and dont expect it to change quickly....
love machine said:
Stihl disc cutter/pubic dissatisfation is the way to go. Speed cameras are enough, to be quite honest, I can't see a *big brother* style system working with the general public. They will get trashed by people like your Dad and the woman who lives down the road, that's true.
I feel you are corret. They'll just encourage criminality in people who wouldn't previously have dreamt of doing anything so "naughty". Once that happens, the damage to public view of authority will be immense.
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