IVF couples to choose sex of their baby
IVF couples to choose sex of their baby
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JagLover

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Thursday 24th March 2005
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The Commons select committee on Science & Technology has proposed that parents seeking IVF treatment should be able to choose the sex of their baby.

So what do we all think-common sense measure or opening pandoras box?.

Personally I see nothing wrong with people wanting to achieve 'balance' in their families.

birdbrain

1,564 posts

268 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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I think it's rather short-sighted. The reason being that many people will want to choose to have boys and then in a couple of generations time there will be an imbalance.

Oh the other hand though, this might be a good idea, because we girls can then have a wider choice. Hmmm...

Lois

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281 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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choosing the sex doesn't cause any "harm" I suppose but it could reduce couple's chances of conception but ruling out certain embryos.
Also if that's allowed whats left to stop "designer babies".

JagLover

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Thursday 24th March 2005
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birdbrain said:
I think it's rather short-sighted. The reason being that many people will want to choose to have boys and then in a couple of generations time there will be an imbalance.

Oh the other hand though, this might be a good idea, because we girls can then have a wider choice. Hmmm...



You are assuming that we are still in an age where boys are preferred as children!!!!

Personally I would be just as happy or perhaps even more so to have a daughter.

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JagLover

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It depends how we define 'designer' babies whether it's to screen them for disease/genetic problems or to create a better human being.

I am in favour of the first and undecided about the second.

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birdbrain

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Thursday 24th March 2005
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JagLover said:

You are assuming that we are still in an age where boys are preferred as children!!!!

Personally I would be just as happy or perhaps even more so to have a daughter.

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No, I'm not. To give you an example, a friend of mine had a baby boy a year ago and throughout the pregnancy her in-laws made it pretty clear that they preferred a boy and when she had the baby they even said she had "done her duty" by giving them a boy as the first born. Her in-laws are very traditional. Plus I don't believe I'm being racist in saying that in many other cultures boys are preferred.

Personally, I would be happy with a boy or a girl but not everyone feels this way.

JagLover

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birdbrain said:

Plus I don't believe I'm being racist in saying that in many other cultures boys are preferred.


You are indeed right in that regard-

and there might still be a few traditionalists who prefer having boys to girls, I haven't met any, but there may be some

But I don't believe it is a big enough problem to restrict the rights of the whole of society-imagine the situation-you have children and you have had two boys and you want desperately to have a girl as well-should that right be denied you by petty government interference.

superlightr

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292 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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Mrs SLR and I have just had 2 beautiful baby girls via IVF (ICSI) born 23/10/04 after about 5 years of trying.
We could not choose the sex due to the regulations but could choose 1 or 2 embroys to be put back in. 3 has just been stopped being allowed I think. (we have one embroy frozen - thats another delema for us later)

Most of the people we met and us, would not care what sex of the child(ren) we had. Only grateful for the fact that they have the chance of actually having children at all.

I dont agree in choosing the sex of a child -(apart from medicat reasons). To have children is a 'gift' and so fantastic, to be dissapointed you had one sex over another, to me means you did not really want that child enough. To try and balance a family is such a poor reason IMHO I find it very hard to understand.

Its so emotinal going through IVF (ICSI) anyway, and then to decide not to have a x sexed baby as it wont balance your family is very sad.

Needless to say, we are over the moon with our 2 twin girls, love them to bits and never would want to change them.

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willmcc

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268 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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there is a massive imbalance of the sexes in india and much of the middle east because girls are being aborted, ultrasound that was designed to save lives is being used to design families with the result the the ratios are 70/30 in favour of boys in many places.
While thatmight not be the case in the UK I still think it will happen especially in certain chav areas.
Just think how many designer car theives we will have in 15yrs time

JagLover

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superlightr said:
I dont agree in choosing the sex of a child -(apart from medicat reasons). To have children is a 'gift' and so fantastic, to be dissapointed you had one sex over another, to me means you did not really want that child enough. To try and balance a family is such a poor reason IMHO I find it very hard to understand.



I think (late) congratulations are in order-if I had to name one new technology that has increased human happiness IVF would be high up my list.

Of course once a child is born you would love it regardless of the sex-but what is the harm of selecting the sex before it's born-who is harmed?

alexkp

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273 months

Thursday 24th March 2005
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It should only be allowed if the couple already have say two boys and want a girl, or visa versa.


It shouldn't be allowed in any other circumstances.

Lois

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Thursday 24th March 2005
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except the majority of people undergoing IVF are childless in the first place.

JagLover

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Yes this is perhaps a compromise I can agree with-it prevents gender imbalance in society while meeting the requirements of the parents in question.

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Lois

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JagLover said:
it prevents gender imbalnce in society


Or could quite easily cause the opposite

JagLover

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How?

If it is restricted to couples only wanting to 'balance out' their families.

Jinx

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Thursday 24th March 2005
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I must admit I do find the idea of picking the sex of a prospective child distasteful. It also sets a dangerous precedent - many cultures do wish for a prevalance of one sex over the other. To allow this choice to take place only encourages a cultural bias which perhaps in this day and age should be challanged rather than placated.

JagLover

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Jinx said:
I must admit I do find the idea of picking the sex of a prospective child distasteful. It also sets a dangerous precedent - many cultures do wish for a prevalance of one sex over the other. To allow this choice to take place only encourages a cultural bias which perhaps in this day and age should be challanged rather than placated.


But should your distaste take precedence over the rights of the parents in question?

centurion07

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Thursday 24th March 2005
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JagLover said:

should that right be denied you by petty government interference.


Surely that "right" has already been denied you by nature in the first place.......it should be enough that science is advanced enough to allow you to conceive at all.

As has already been said, where do you draw the line with designer babies; hair colour, height, build etc?

SiH

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I heard something on the news this morning, some old politician type who said that being able to chose the sex of a child would be useful to families who had, for example, five girls and wanted a boy. WTF are people with 5 kids doing having IVF?! Methinks either I've grasped the wrong end of the stick or the politicians on this particular committee are a bunch of dicks.

JagLover

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SiH said:

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I heard something on the news this morning, some old politician type who said that being able to chose the sex of a child would be useful to families who had, for example, five girls and wanted a boy. WTF are people with 5 kids doing having IVF?! Methinks either I've grasped the wrong end of the stick or the politicians on this particular committee are a bunch of dicks.


If they are paying for the IVF treatment themselves-why not?