HMS Victory to be torched
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A replica of Horatio Nelson's warship HMS Victory is being painstakingly assembled - so it can be set on fire....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4134917.stm
WTF is that all about then? Apolgising to the Froggies for kicking their asses at Trafalgar? Or just a waste of taxpayers money - or both?
Another looney socialist scheme no doubt. Why don't we burn a replica of 'Redoutable' instead (the ship from whose masts the sniper shot Nelson)?
British 'Europhiles' will be massaging their apologistic egos in a sickly puddle of appeasement; the Europeans will be having a bloody good laugh.
>>> Edited by simpo two on Sunday 2nd January 12:41
>>> Edited by simpo two on Sunday 2nd January 12:42
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4134917.stm
WTF is that all about then? Apolgising to the Froggies for kicking their asses at Trafalgar? Or just a waste of taxpayers money - or both?
Another looney socialist scheme no doubt. Why don't we burn a replica of 'Redoutable' instead (the ship from whose masts the sniper shot Nelson)?
British 'Europhiles' will be massaging their apologistic egos in a sickly puddle of appeasement; the Europeans will be having a bloody good laugh.
>>> Edited by simpo two on Sunday 2nd January 12:41
>>> Edited by simpo two on Sunday 2nd January 12:42
Yet another case of Bliar & co casually throwing away our heritage, our enjoyment and our civil liberties thanks to some stupidly affected 'think tank' whose job it is to come up with things that people might, once in a blue moon, find offensive in some construed way, and ban it.
Also, has anyone noticed there seem to be more 'advance warnings' on just about every TV programme, film and documentary these days? It's like we're becoming ridiculously sensitive. Anyone else also noticed that nowadays, instead of the hero having a nice car in a drama, it's always the villain, to prove that he's 'selfish' and 'capitalist'.
We're being run by roomfuls of academic lefties. I've met these types at university. They wouldn't know the real world if they were offered free return tickets.
Also, has anyone noticed there seem to be more 'advance warnings' on just about every TV programme, film and documentary these days? It's like we're becoming ridiculously sensitive. Anyone else also noticed that nowadays, instead of the hero having a nice car in a drama, it's always the villain, to prove that he's 'selfish' and 'capitalist'.
We're being run by roomfuls of academic lefties. I've met these types at university. They wouldn't know the real world if they were offered free return tickets.
link doesn't work.
This one does:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4134917.stm
It says it's to be done for charity.
It's commemmorating a famous battle. Sorry, but I just don't see - where's the offence? It's not as if they're burning the original.
>> Edited by tvrgit on Sunday 2nd January 12:40
This one does:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4134917.stm
It says it's to be done for charity.
It's commemmorating a famous battle. Sorry, but I just don't see - where's the offence? It's not as if they're burning the original.
>> Edited by tvrgit on Sunday 2nd January 12:40
That's bad!! Trafalgar was the knockout punch for Napoleon's planned invasion of Britain, and was fought by very brave men on all three sides, and which a REAL National hero gave his life for his country! I really hate this government and their very blinkered veiws of history 
I am designing a kit of Victory, however, that will be very detailed and quite large!! (I started the initial designs with another manufacturer, but I resigned due to moral reasons!)
It would be great if they made a film about Nelson, his life would be perfect for an action film, although the US would probably have someone like Matt Damon as Nelson, and British actors for the French and Spanish commanders!!!
,, and to top it all,, they'll include US ships coming to the Brit's rescue, saving the day!!!
I am designing a kit of Victory, however, that will be very detailed and quite large!! (I started the initial designs with another manufacturer, but I resigned due to moral reasons!)
It would be great if they made a film about Nelson, his life would be perfect for an action film, although the US would probably have someone like Matt Damon as Nelson, and British actors for the French and Spanish commanders!!!
,, and to top it all,, they'll include US ships coming to the Brit's rescue, saving the day!!!tvrgit said:
link doesn't work.
Thanks, fixed it.
tvrgit said:
It says it's to be done for charity.
Well that makes it OK then. Not.
tvrgit said:
It's commemmorating a famous battle. Sorry, but I just don't see - where's the offence?
Funny way to commemorate a battle - by burning the winning ship. Shall we celebrate the Battle of Britain by burning some replica Spitfires?
Which ever way you look at it, it's not just odd, it's really weird.
Celebrating a victory by burning an effegy of the flagship that helped secure that victory? Could someone explain the symbology behind that? Are we going to burn a replica squadron of spitfires to commemerate the Battle of Britain?
It too long ago to find offensive but it just plain stupid to my way of thinking.
It too long ago to find offensive but it just plain stupid to my way of thinking.
mungo said:
Whats the problem???
The real HMS Victory is sat at HM Portsmouth Naval base and open to the public to see
It's a replica of the Victory!
OK, if that’s the case, why don’t we build an effigy of Ghandi, and burn that to celebrate India’s independence!!!! That would go down well, wouldn’t it??,, oh yes, sorry, forgot, it’s only all things that are truly British we can defecate on!
What you all jumping up and down moaning about civil liberties, Blair,England going down the pan etc etc , when it's a replica done by someone with no government money or anything.
People in here can sometimes act like a bunch of Daily Mail readers, who just been told that gay Philippine immigrant with aids and claiming benefits, is about to move their caravan into their back garden
People in here can sometimes act like a bunch of Daily Mail readers, who just been told that gay Philippine immigrant with aids and claiming benefits, is about to move their caravan into their back garden
BMGM3 said:
What you all jumping up and down moaning about civil liberties, Blair,England going down the pan etc etc , when it's a replica done by someone with no government money or anything.
But WHY are they doing it? What is the point? Why go to the trouble of building a replica and then destroying it publicly amid no doubt great celebration? Our government loves its messages. What message is this supposed to have?
Let me guess: they wanted a big civil bash to make Blair's Britain look like it's happy really. What's coming up to a round number of years? Ah, Trafalgar, 1805. Great! Hang on, we can't celebrate that, it's not only a war, and not only a war against our soooooper new buddies the French, but we won it. Damn. How terribly embarrassing and awkward. OK, to avoid any glimmer of patriotism, we'll have to burn the symbol of that battle, HMS Victory, by way of apology. Arse, it's a famous monument - never mind, we'll make a copy and burn that instead.
Any other theories about how this remarkable act came to be?
Spot on.
That's not at all tiresome,,, is it!!!BMGM3 said:
What you all jumping up and down moaning about civil liberties, Blair,England going down the pan etc etc , when it's a replica done by someone with no government money or anything.
People in here can sometimes act like a bunch of Daily Mail readers, who just been told that gay Philippine immigrant with aids and claiming benefits, is about to move their caravan into their back garden
(c) 2004 Jimmy Carr
mrmaggit said:
And why has there never been an HMS Temeraire after the one that fought at Trafalgar?
Because the powers that-be seem to have no interest in history or memory of great British success.
We were still scrapping Nelson era ships in 1949, here HMS Implacable (formally the French Ship of the Line - Duguay Trouin Captured at Traflagar and renamed)
www.duguaytrouin.freeserve.co.uk/Photograph%20Gallery.htm#Photogallery
all the worlds surviving big ships - www.hazegray.org/navhist/gun_ship.htm
mrmaggit said:
And why has there never been an HMS Temeraire after the one that fought at Trafalgar?
Good Q; not sure. You can find out more about the ships of both sides at my site:
www.sanjuannepomuceno.co.uk/battle_map.htm
Worth noting that no Royal Navy ships were lost.
>> Edited by simpo two on Sunday 2nd January 19:05
mrmaggit said:
And why has there never been an HMS Temeraire after the one that fought at Trafalgar?
There is a building called HMS Temeraire which houses the staff of the Directorate of Naval Physical Training and Sport (DNPTS), the Royal Navy School of Physical Training and the Fleet Recreation Centre. The establishment is located in Burnaby Road, Portsmouth, and follows a long and distinguished line of ships and establishments to bear the name Temeraire.
There have quite a few Temeraire's, aside from the 2nd Rate 98 gun 3 decker at Trafalger, there was another in 1876, a 'Barbette ship', another in 1909, a Bellerophon Class Battleship, and I'm sure there was/is a Navel Sub to use the name also
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