House hold electrics - Blair nanny state
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It's been news for a while.
I honestly expect it's a tax biased policy under the guise of 'safety'
Think about it.
All the electrical work carried out in homes and components sold through DIY stores. Well if they are all fitted legitimately and tested (at a fee) then the inspector has a job created which he pays tax on plus (more importantly) all the work is recorded as conducted by qualified tech's, which means Mr Inland Revenue will know all.
No more bunging a mate some cash for a cheap sparky job.
ers, all of them!
Mark
I honestly expect it's a tax biased policy under the guise of 'safety'
Think about it.
All the electrical work carried out in homes and components sold through DIY stores. Well if they are all fitted legitimately and tested (at a fee) then the inspector has a job created which he pays tax on plus (more importantly) all the work is recorded as conducted by qualified tech's, which means Mr Inland Revenue will know all.
No more bunging a mate some cash for a cheap sparky job.
ers, all of them! Mark
rev-erend said:
Yep - you probably heard it on the news last night.
If you intend to do much more than change a plug at home - you will need to get it inspected by a government inspector.
What the f*@* is the nanny state doing now ..
I could scream
Oh it gets better than this,
If like me you live in an old 40's house with old but more than safe electrics your in trouble. As the electrician who comes to work on your house will refuse to complete any work unless your whole system is brought up to current spec. Thus a whole new wiring system costing thousands will be needed. He's not allowed to work on any old systems and can't uissue the certicicate you need for any owrk completed.
So you think bugger that I'll risk it with a back street boy. All well and good but this would invalidate your insurance if the worst was to happen.
Well this is how was it explained to me yesterday by someone in the trade.
Top laugh
Phil
Well the answer is very simple really just ignore it. If you come to sell your house just claim it was done ages ago and if you are worried about the insurance company dont tell them they will never know unless you have an electrical fire which is unlikely. Once the inspectorate cannot make it pay the whole thing will fall apart. This is proven by history. How many dodgy gas fires are there still in rented property in the UK? The only people this will effect will be numpty houseowners who obey the law. Its similar to speed its a daft law just ignore it and get on with you life.
That's what I thought - ignore it.
I'll be blowed if I'm goig to tell them everytime I change a double for a single socket.
I can see that if you installed an electric shower (water & electric) then that should be tested & checked by a qualified electrician but most other stuff is no more complicated than wiring a plug !
It's shop your neighbour time - "comrade - is that a new plug socket I see in your kitchen"
I'll be blowed if I'm goig to tell them everytime I change a double for a single socket.
I can see that if you installed an electric shower (water & electric) then that should be tested & checked by a qualified electrician but most other stuff is no more complicated than wiring a plug !
It's shop your neighbour time - "comrade - is that a new plug socket I see in your kitchen"
I was speaking to a sparky a couple of days ago. This guy is not certified, has been doing it for years and many of the local (certified) sparkies ask him for advice if they are not dure of something.
Under the proposed rules he is going to be out of a fair bit of work. Not a problem for him, he will get "qualified" some time soon. What the new legisation is doing is creating a cartel similar to Corgi has done with gas.
When it comes to changes you can make on your own, apparently there is still a fair amount you can do. You can run spurs off an existing ring, change plugs, switches and sockets etc. What you can't do is major re-wiring, mess about with RCD/Junction box type stuff. According to this guy if you intend on doing major work you should be OK getting it OK'd once you have put it in - similar to what you can do now. There is likely to be a hefty charge with this though
Regardless of what you can do and can't do it's still nanny state crap.
How long before this extends to car maintenance - how many people die each year due to badly maintained cars?
I know of 2 lads in the village I grew up in, who died because one of them had bodged his brakes and the failed at a critical time.
In many cases I trust myself to maintain my car better than some of the monkeys who have worked on it in the past. This brings the whole "adequately skilled/qualified" debate into focus again.
Under the proposed rules he is going to be out of a fair bit of work. Not a problem for him, he will get "qualified" some time soon. What the new legisation is doing is creating a cartel similar to Corgi has done with gas.
When it comes to changes you can make on your own, apparently there is still a fair amount you can do. You can run spurs off an existing ring, change plugs, switches and sockets etc. What you can't do is major re-wiring, mess about with RCD/Junction box type stuff. According to this guy if you intend on doing major work you should be OK getting it OK'd once you have put it in - similar to what you can do now. There is likely to be a hefty charge with this though
Regardless of what you can do and can't do it's still nanny state crap.
How long before this extends to car maintenance - how many people die each year due to badly maintained cars?
I know of 2 lads in the village I grew up in, who died because one of them had bodged his brakes and the failed at a critical time.
In many cases I trust myself to maintain my car better than some of the monkeys who have worked on it in the past. This brings the whole "adequately skilled/qualified" debate into focus again.
I'll be taking my chances... there is no way I'm going to let some fkwit nanny state controller into my home to charge me for what anybody with 'common sense' can do.
This Government really do not understand the concept of 'common sense' - maybe it's because none of them have any!
Besides, I'm perfectly capable of wiring 240V through my doorbell should anybody start nosing around
kwit nanny state controller into my home to charge me for what anybody with 'common sense' can do. This Government really do not understand the concept of 'common sense' - maybe it's because none of them have any!
Besides, I'm perfectly capable of wiring 240V through my doorbell should anybody start nosing around
AS I SAID EARLIER IT'S GOT Coco H said:
Umm how exactly do they intend to police this?
They'll trawl through the sales receipts at DIY superstores, use your credit card details to identify who has purchased electrical hardware, get a warrant to enter your house and use carbon dating to test the age of any wiring.
Simple.
Electrical work is only the tip of the iceberg, we will also need inspections and a certificate for :
Chimney lining
new or exchange domestic heating boilers.
hot water cylinder
central heating
replacement windows
and a lst of other stuff I can't remember
So called inspectors can't keep up with their workload now, never mind this lot
Final ironey is that these regs were proposed by FRANCE. You've seen the state of their places
Chimney lining
new or exchange domestic heating boilers.
hot water cylinder
central heating
replacement windows
and a lst of other stuff I can't remember
So called inspectors can't keep up with their workload now, never mind this lot
Final ironey is that these regs were proposed by FRANCE. You've seen the state of their places
tony.t said:
Umm how exactly do they intend to police this?
They'll trawl through the sales receipts at DIY superstores, use your credit card details to identify who has purchased electrical hardware, get a warrant to enter your house and use carbon dating to test the age of any wiring.
Simple.
I suspect that before long you won't be able to buy electrical hardware without proving that you are an accredited installer.
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