Zulu Dawn - The Ultimate Disaster Movie!

Zulu Dawn - The Ultimate Disaster Movie!

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granville

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18,764 posts

268 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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Here is a film I simply cannot watch.

The sight of all those red tunics going down is an absolute shocker.

Nearly as unbearable as Lancaster's Irish accent.

ian d

986 posts

262 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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i watched bits of it last night, seen it before. there was a documentary about the battle on discovery a while back. although it was a complete disaster from the british point of view the film was not entirely accurate regarding the ammunition boxes or the supply of ammunition.

the discovery program examined the performance of the rifle and the supply of ammunition. the rifle was immense, good rate of fire, even accounting for miss fires, the Brits should have dispatched the zulus from 400 to 50 yards in 20 minutes. they examined the ammo boxes, easily opened using a rifle butt.

they also did an arceological search of the firing line and discovered that it was very far forward of the camp but there was loads of empty cases, ie loads of ammo.

so why was it such a disaster? the line was too far forward resulting in the soldiers being spaced far apart, 4 to 6 yards, meaning that the fire was not concentrated. hence once the zulus were onto the line the zulus had the advantage with their close quarter weapons. sadly a tactical mistake by the british.

Marki

15,763 posts

277 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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Another example of "Lions led by Donkeys"

superlightr

12,900 posts

270 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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now then be quiet - be a good chap -- you will frighten the men.

you are all going to die ........


granville

Original Poster:

18,764 posts

268 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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superlightr said:
now then be quiet - be a good chap -- you will frighten the men.

you are all going to die ........




"Why us, Sarge?"

"'Cos we're 'ere, lad!"

Sublime.

IOLAIRE

1,293 posts

245 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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ian d said:


so why was it such a disaster? .


Typical upper class British arrogance.
The Zulus were assumed to be half naked savages; the reality of course is that they were an extremely intelligent, highly organised society of people with higher moral codes than the British.
And endless courage.

shadytree

8,291 posts

256 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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"Men of Harlech stop your dreaming, Can't you see their spear points gleaming"

diddyman

3,646 posts

248 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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derestrictor said:

Nearly as unbearable as Lancaster's Irish accent.

Irish? So that's what it was meant to be! I wondered what a Septic was doing at Isandlwana...

shadytree

8,291 posts

256 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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"60!, we got at least 60 wouldn't you say?"
"That leaves only 3,940."

yertis

18,683 posts

273 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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IOLAIRE said:
The Zulus were people with higher moral codes than the British.


Impossible....

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

255 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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derestrictor said:

superlightr said:
now then be quiet - be a good chap -- you will frighten the men.

you are all going to die ........





"Why us, Sarge?"

"'Cos we're 'ere, lad!"

Sublime.


You're thinking of the other film. Zulu, with Michael Caine and Stanley Baker.

granville

Original Poster:

18,764 posts

268 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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IOLAIRE said:

ian d said:


so why was it such a disaster? .



Typical upper class British arrogance.
The Zulus were assumed to be half naked savages; the reality of course is that they were an extremely intelligent, highly organised society of people with higher moral codes than the British.
And endless courage.



Hang on, they were half naked, pretty savage and somewhat liberal in their approach to infantry mortality which one could argue is hardly an enlightened philosophy.

Organised? Undoubtedly so but you have to be fairly good at logistics to run and supply an empire too, so we weren't exactly slackers ourselves on that score.

Their possession of a higher moral code? Well of course, everybody does - we're British, we must be evil!

Endless courage? Brave of course but an odd pronouncement I think and comparisons would certainly be difficult.

Upper class arrogance? Perhaps a little but more a case of underestimating one's enemy.



pdV6

16,442 posts

268 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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There's me thinking that the order had been given: "Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes", so the Zulus charged in with their eyes shut...

vixpy1

42,676 posts

271 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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Throwing many many men at an enemy with vastly superior firepower maybe Brave but its also unbelievably stupid!

richardthestag

1,406 posts

240 months

Wednesday 22nd December 2004
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mrmaggit said:
You're thinking of the other film. Zulu, with Michael Caine and Stanley Baker.


<Michael Caine> Stop frowin thowse bluddy spears at me </Michael Caine>