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Been reading up on NDEs recently, it's been 2 years to the day since I was on a life support machine. Before I regained consciousness I had what could be termed a near death experience. Not your usual going down a tunnel towards a bright light and then to be told 'Sorry son it's not your time', no this was what could only be described as Hell. I remember being in this eternal black void, being very cold, very lonely with a sort of loud buzzing/whistling type noise, almost like being in Space but you couldn't see anything. This feeling went on for quite a while before I thought this is way uncool and then I came round slowly.
This is from a website on what Hell might be like :
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There are those who have possibly had a very real look at Hell, either in a death bed or a near death experience. What they see is so horrifying that they do not want any more of it.
(The following three paragraphs are taken from the book, “To Hell and Back”, by Maurice Rawling, M.D.)
Those encountering the Hell experience have expressed it in these words:
1.Fiery place of desolation without hope
2.No way out - friends from the past screaming
3.Crushing despondent feeling of loneliness
4.Physical pressure by the inch from the darkness
5.Crying - shrieking - feeling horrible
6.Isolated - frightened - black - desolate
7.Dismal - heavy - icy shudders
8.Feeling torment - horror so great it chokes
9.Kicking off creatures
10.Blood curdling screams
11.Seeing faces of the damned
12.Under severe penalty from an unseen force
This is how one man described an experience that he considered to be Hell itself. “The darkness of Hell is so intense that it seems to have a pressure per square inch. It is an extremely black, dismal, desolate, heavy, pressurized type of darkness. It gives the individual a crushing, despondent feeling of loneliness.
The agony and loneliness of Hell cannot be expressed clearly enough for proper understanding to the human soul ….”.
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Now of those I would say 2,3,4,5,6,7 and 12 were right on the money.
From iands.org about NDEs
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The second, less common type included an acute awareness of nonexistence or of being completely alone forever in an absolute void. Sometimes the person received a totally convincing message that the real world including themselves never really existed.
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Now are there any logical explanations for what I went through, this is scary stuff indeed. I'm not religous at all but I can't help thinking that there might just be something in this. I have a whole load of belief systems that are incompatible with religion.
Anyone else with a NDE ? good or bad ?
You're a long time dead.
This is from a website on what Hell might be like :
[snip]
There are those who have possibly had a very real look at Hell, either in a death bed or a near death experience. What they see is so horrifying that they do not want any more of it.
(The following three paragraphs are taken from the book, “To Hell and Back”, by Maurice Rawling, M.D.)
Those encountering the Hell experience have expressed it in these words:
1.Fiery place of desolation without hope
2.No way out - friends from the past screaming
3.Crushing despondent feeling of loneliness
4.Physical pressure by the inch from the darkness
5.Crying - shrieking - feeling horrible
6.Isolated - frightened - black - desolate
7.Dismal - heavy - icy shudders
8.Feeling torment - horror so great it chokes
9.Kicking off creatures
10.Blood curdling screams
11.Seeing faces of the damned
12.Under severe penalty from an unseen force
This is how one man described an experience that he considered to be Hell itself. “The darkness of Hell is so intense that it seems to have a pressure per square inch. It is an extremely black, dismal, desolate, heavy, pressurized type of darkness. It gives the individual a crushing, despondent feeling of loneliness.
The agony and loneliness of Hell cannot be expressed clearly enough for proper understanding to the human soul ….”.
[/snip]
Now of those I would say 2,3,4,5,6,7 and 12 were right on the money.
From iands.org about NDEs
[snip]
The second, less common type included an acute awareness of nonexistence or of being completely alone forever in an absolute void. Sometimes the person received a totally convincing message that the real world including themselves never really existed.
[/snip]
Now are there any logical explanations for what I went through, this is scary stuff indeed. I'm not religous at all but I can't help thinking that there might just be something in this. I have a whole load of belief systems that are incompatible with religion.
Anyone else with a NDE ? good or bad ?
You're a long time dead.
I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, but 'm not arrogant enough to say that because I don't know about it all it doesn't exist. On the other hand, the "nightmare" of earlier times is apparently sleep paralysis. (You feel awake, but can't move and often feel pressure on the chest - often attributed to a demon sitting on it). So I suspect we'll find an explanation.
Then again, 6 and 12 sound like being a driving enthusiast.
>> Edited by V8 Archie on Tuesday 21st December 22:46
Then again, 6 and 12 sound like being a driving enthusiast.
>> Edited by V8 Archie on Tuesday 21st December 22:46
Zorro said:
1.Fiery place of desolation without hope
2.No way out - friends from the past screaming
3.Crushing despondent feeling of loneliness
4.Physical pressure by the inch from the darkness
5.Crying - shrieking - feeling horrible
6.Isolated - frightened - black - desolate
7.Dismal - heavy - icy shudders
8.Feeling torment - horror so great it chokes
9.Kicking off creatures
10.Blood curdling screams
11.Seeing faces of the damned
12.Under severe penalty from an unseen force
heck, that's just a normal family get together for me.....
Jinx said:
1.Fiery place of desolation without hope
2.No way out - friends from the past screaming
3.Crushing despondent feeling of loneliness
4.Physical pressure by the inch from the darkness
5.Crying - shrieking - feeling horrible
6.Isolated - frightened - black - desolate
7.Dismal - heavy - icy shudders
8.Feeling torment - horror so great it chokes
9.Kicking off creatures
10.Blood curdling screams
11.Seeing faces of the damned
12.Under severe penalty from an unseen force
heck, that's just a normal family get together for me.....
Sounds rather like my typical Christmas eve piss-up
Sorry, no offence.
Jinx said:
Zorro said:
1.Fiery place of desolation without hope
2.No way out - friends from the past screaming
3.Crushing despondent feeling of loneliness
4.Physical pressure by the inch from the darkness
5.Crying - shrieking - feeling horrible
6.Isolated - frightened - black - desolate
7.Dismal - heavy - icy shudders
8.Feeling torment - horror so great it chokes
9.Kicking off creatures
10.Blood curdling screams
11.Seeing faces of the damned
12.Under severe penalty from an unseen force
heck, that's just a normal family get together for me.....
What I was thinking. Christmas day afternoon round the folks anyone
Edited to add: "round the folks"
>> Edited by t1grm on Tuesday 21st December 23:00
Been there, got the T-shirt. Mind you, my NDE was 20 years ago, so they may have changed a bit by now 
I think the real answer is probably quite boring. What most of we get is a combination of powerful drugs and strange electrical impulses in the brain as things start the process of shutting down. If we come back, I think this is what we remember.
All I know is after my biggie, I had an amazing feeling of tranquility and to this day, I know being dead is somehow OK.
I think the real answer is probably quite boring. What most of we get is a combination of powerful drugs and strange electrical impulses in the brain as things start the process of shutting down. If we come back, I think this is what we remember.
All I know is after my biggie, I had an amazing feeling of tranquility and to this day, I know being dead is somehow OK.
titiany said:
I don't tend to believe in any of that stuff, but hearing stuff like that gets me all uppity!
Are you sure it just wasn't your subconscious imagining what it might be like???
I was definitely aware that I thought it was the end, I just couldn't do anything. It seemed like eternity but 1 minute in that 'place' felt like a month. Worst experience I've ever had.
I take the rather pragmatic view that nobody who is alive has a clue what lies on the other side of the divide as they haven't been there yet...........
Unless it was, perhaps someone who has been brought back from the dead, after their heart stopped beating in hospital for example......
Unless it was, perhaps someone who has been brought back from the dead, after their heart stopped beating in hospital for example......
Zorro said:
Those encountering the Hell experience have expressed it in these words:
1.Fiery place of desolation without hope
2.No way out - friends from the past screaming
3.Crushing despondent feeling of loneliness
4.Physical pressure by the inch from the darkness
5.Crying - shrieking - feeling horrible
6.Isolated - frightened - black - desolate
7.Dismal - heavy - icy shudders
8.Feeling torment - horror so great it chokes
9.Kicking off creatures
10.Blood curdling screams
11.Seeing faces of the damned
12.Under severe penalty from an unseen force
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sounds like Houghton Regis to me, the only thing missing is the burnt out cars
Cheer up people in nearly christmas
It's a tough argument, live for today or for the hereafter.
So say there is an afterlife, you don't believe there is and spend 80-odd years on wine, women and song. Then you kick the bucket, find there is an afterlife and a big burly angel at the gates says "Sorry sunshine, you're not on the list, now sod off before I give you an unholy kicking."
Or say there isn't an afterlife, and you live your life as a pious, pure individual. Then you croak and it's all been for nowt!
So whatever you decide to do you could be making the wrong choice - me, far as I'm concerned life is far too short to spend it doing the decent thing.
So say there is an afterlife, you don't believe there is and spend 80-odd years on wine, women and song. Then you kick the bucket, find there is an afterlife and a big burly angel at the gates says "Sorry sunshine, you're not on the list, now sod off before I give you an unholy kicking."
Or say there isn't an afterlife, and you live your life as a pious, pure individual. Then you croak and it's all been for nowt!
So whatever you decide to do you could be making the wrong choice - me, far as I'm concerned life is far too short to spend it doing the decent thing.
Jinx said:
1.Fiery place of desolation without hope
2.No way out - friends from the past screaming
3.Crushing despondent feeling of loneliness
4.Physical pressure by the inch from the darkness
5.Crying - shrieking - feeling horrible
6.Isolated - frightened - black - desolate
7.Dismal - heavy - icy shudders
8.Feeling torment - horror so great it chokes
9.Kicking off creatures
10.Blood curdling screams
11.Seeing faces of the damned
12.Under severe penalty from an unseen force
heck, that's just a normal family get together for me.....
Sounds like you have met my Grandmother then.....
Zorro said:
Those encountering the Hell experience have expressed it in these words:
1.Fiery place of desolation without hope
2.No way out - friends from the past screaming
3.Crushing despondent feeling of loneliness
4.Physical pressure by the inch from the darkness
5.Crying - shrieking - feeling horrible
6.Isolated - frightened - black - desolate
7.Dismal - heavy - icy shudders
8.Feeling torment - horror so great it chokes
9.Kicking off creatures
10.Blood curdling screams
11.Seeing faces of the damned
12.Under severe penalty from an unseen force
Sounds like a typical dy in my last job
I have thought about this before and have reached 2 conclusions.
1/In order to understand things we use conscious thought. I would class subconscious thought as instinct
If our consious thought process was connected with the soul we would not be asking these questions.
Once the soul leaves the body there is no longer conscious thought.
If the soul were to reenter the body, any experience whilst apart from the body would not be comprehendable by using conscious thought.
However, this theory has several flawes: being umbillicaly connected to the soul/body is one of them.
Also there are other grey areas such as emotion. If i think logically then i wouldn' class emotion as conscious though but is it part of the soul?, i don't know. More than likely, yes.
Morein emotion can interact with and be interpreted by conscious thought and physical matter even. If you were to class memory as physical matter. Infact i don't think it is or the dead would remember and that is horrible. Although from what i have said it cannot be part of the soul as memory requires a conscious process to activate it.
I would class memory as a form of energy and the soul as another.
2/I heard somewhere that hell is the abscence of god or to know God but be abscent from him. Which would explain the darkness as God is the light. The depression, anquiety, lonliness etc as god is hope, love, omnipitant(never apart from him except in hell).
I have heard that even in our darkest time and most devious of deeds that God still loves us because he is forgiving.
Satan is any force that would distract you from God and doing his will. Satan is not necasserily a honed beast but a one with a simple goal. To drive you from God and then remind him(grass you up) when the time comes.
I know i am more good than evil and that i have a choice how to live my life. So i struggle over and round obstacles in my life to try and be good. But do not forget to live as i believe that THAT is gods will.
ps.
I did silly things to myself when i was younger and woke to see myself from above with a stomach pump inserted. When i regained consciousness there was a priest at my bed. I asked the nurse why and she said satanic voices had come from my mouth threatening to kill me with syanide next time.
I saw my dead father one night and i asked him every question i could think of, to which he explained everything but in the morning i had forgotten it all. I awoke one night when i was young to see what i can only describe as the grim reaper standing over me. I looked at him and rolled over to go to sleep.
Sometimes(if i am lucky) i fly in my dreams, sometimes i just sort of paddle at about 20ft high.
In short, ours is not to reason why but do or die ( get on with it in laymans terms )
Cheers
ian
>> Edited by bilko2 on Wednesday 22 December 02:50
1/In order to understand things we use conscious thought. I would class subconscious thought as instinct
If our consious thought process was connected with the soul we would not be asking these questions.
Once the soul leaves the body there is no longer conscious thought.
If the soul were to reenter the body, any experience whilst apart from the body would not be comprehendable by using conscious thought.
However, this theory has several flawes: being umbillicaly connected to the soul/body is one of them.
Also there are other grey areas such as emotion. If i think logically then i wouldn' class emotion as conscious though but is it part of the soul?, i don't know. More than likely, yes.
Morein emotion can interact with and be interpreted by conscious thought and physical matter even. If you were to class memory as physical matter. Infact i don't think it is or the dead would remember and that is horrible. Although from what i have said it cannot be part of the soul as memory requires a conscious process to activate it.
I would class memory as a form of energy and the soul as another.
2/I heard somewhere that hell is the abscence of god or to know God but be abscent from him. Which would explain the darkness as God is the light. The depression, anquiety, lonliness etc as god is hope, love, omnipitant(never apart from him except in hell).
I have heard that even in our darkest time and most devious of deeds that God still loves us because he is forgiving.
Satan is any force that would distract you from God and doing his will. Satan is not necasserily a honed beast but a one with a simple goal. To drive you from God and then remind him(grass you up) when the time comes.
I know i am more good than evil and that i have a choice how to live my life. So i struggle over and round obstacles in my life to try and be good. But do not forget to live as i believe that THAT is gods will.
ps.
I did silly things to myself when i was younger and woke to see myself from above with a stomach pump inserted. When i regained consciousness there was a priest at my bed. I asked the nurse why and she said satanic voices had come from my mouth threatening to kill me with syanide next time.
I saw my dead father one night and i asked him every question i could think of, to which he explained everything but in the morning i had forgotten it all. I awoke one night when i was young to see what i can only describe as the grim reaper standing over me. I looked at him and rolled over to go to sleep.
Sometimes(if i am lucky) i fly in my dreams, sometimes i just sort of paddle at about 20ft high.
In short, ours is not to reason why but do or die ( get on with it in laymans terms )
Cheers
ian
>> Edited by bilko2 on Wednesday 22 December 02:50
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