Geoff Hoon is a backstabbing coward
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according to SNP MP Annabelle Ewing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4101901.stm
Last week the Black Watch returned from their tour of duty in the "Triangle of Death" in Iraq.
Yesterday the Black Watch held a memorial service for their 5 colleagues who died in that duty.
Today the Regiment's 100's of years of traditions are lost, along with the other Scottish regiments, because they have been amalgamated into a "super-regiment".
This a government devoid of any decency, honour, honesty or humanity. I cannot find words to express the utter contempt I feel for those who sit on their arses and make these decisions, based purely on a balance sheet, and absolutely no experience or knowledge of the consequences.
Every decision seems designed to affect the easily-affected - honest people turned into criminals by so-called speed cameras, the elderly sitting in freezing homes which they can't afford to heat, etc etc etc, while the thieving, lazy, drunken, violent scum are supported financially and emotionally for giving the rest of us nothing except heartache. And why? because that involves a hard decision and a bit of work to sort out, and why bother while the rest of us are easy targets eh?
I am so sick of this...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4101901.stm
Last week the Black Watch returned from their tour of duty in the "Triangle of Death" in Iraq.
Yesterday the Black Watch held a memorial service for their 5 colleagues who died in that duty.
Today the Regiment's 100's of years of traditions are lost, along with the other Scottish regiments, because they have been amalgamated into a "super-regiment".
This a government devoid of any decency, honour, honesty or humanity. I cannot find words to express the utter contempt I feel for those who sit on their arses and make these decisions, based purely on a balance sheet, and absolutely no experience or knowledge of the consequences.
Every decision seems designed to affect the easily-affected - honest people turned into criminals by so-called speed cameras, the elderly sitting in freezing homes which they can't afford to heat, etc etc etc, while the thieving, lazy, drunken, violent scum are supported financially and emotionally for giving the rest of us nothing except heartache. And why? because that involves a hard decision and a bit of work to sort out, and why bother while the rest of us are easy targets eh?
I am so sick of this...
Yes. Agreed. Could'nt have put it better myself.
Hoon has been beneath contempt as the treacherous lying scum that he is , for ages now.
What got me was when he refused to apologise to the wife of a serviceman killed in Iraq when he was forced to give away his body armour. Someone should have said " the buck stops with me" and had some decency...
Hoon did'nt do that, and squirmed around like some snake rather than admit that the logistics had failed and that he, as the man in overall charge, should be accountable and apologise.
A complete and utter worm. I hope i never have to see his ugly, smug mug again.
Hoon has been beneath contempt as the treacherous lying scum that he is , for ages now.
What got me was when he refused to apologise to the wife of a serviceman killed in Iraq when he was forced to give away his body armour. Someone should have said " the buck stops with me" and had some decency...
Hoon did'nt do that, and squirmed around like some snake rather than admit that the logistics had failed and that he, as the man in overall charge, should be accountable and apologise.
A complete and utter worm. I hope i never have to see his ugly, smug mug again.
simpo two said:
And Geoff Hoon is in charge of the armed forces and has probably never even fired a rifle.
'The price we pay for not going into politics is to be ruled by those less able than ourselves'
IMO ministers should, by law, have had some experience of actually working in the field - the Defence Minister should have been a military officer, the Education secretary should have been a teacher, the transport secretary should hold an advanced drivers licence, the Chancellor should have worked in the City and so on. As it stands, the levels of detachment between the cabinet and the people is enormous, and it's only going to get bigger.
toppstuff said:
Yes. Agreed. Could'nt have put it better myself.
Hoon has been beneath contempt as the treacherous lying scum that he is , for ages now.
What got me was when he refused to apologise to the wife of a serviceman killed in Iraq when he was forced to give away his body armour. Someone should have said " the buck stops with me" and had some decency...
Hoon did'nt do that, and squirmed around like some snake rather than admit that the logistics had failed and that he, as the man in overall charge, should be accountable and apologise.
A complete and utter worm. I hope i never have to see his ugly, smug mug again.
If you take the name out of that, and the specific meeting, what is shocking is that you could be referring to absolutely ANYBODY in the current Government.
Hoon is beneath contempt. This idiot has been persuaded that the best way forward is to invest in new technology so we can conduct wars from the safety of an X box, no one but the bad guys will die and all the poloticians will be heros. We need soliders motivated by belive honour and loyalty when they get none from their leader they are betrayed. Top marks to the SNP member for having the guts to speak her mind, if few more MPs spoke frankly with passion, without the "my right hounrable friend" bollocks prefacing everything then maybe we would have better goverment.
robdickinson said:
You know, with my Grade D in economics at 'A' level (I dossed somewhat there...) I'm more qualified to be chancelor tham most of the fat gits that get the job...
I think Gordon Brown scored one of the highest firsts in maths ever at Edinburgh, and then went on to a doctorate. But I take your point.
edited, but you'd definitely make education secretary: Chancellor
>> Edited by stumartin on Friday 17th December 09:48
v8thunder said:
As it stands, the levels of detachment between the cabinet and the people is enormous, and it's only going to get bigger.
Absolutely agree. Having recently read Jeremy Paxman's 'the political animal' (albeit two years late) it would appear that it used to be so; the advent of the career politician has removed from cabinet any genuine practical experience of the areas in which they meddle, sorry govern. Shame.
I agree that Hoon is a despicable scumbag who should be posted to Iraq without body armour, however it was not his decision, it was the Chief of Staff who decided this. Needless to say he's english and doesn't give a flying 
about the history of the scottish regiments who were always there to pull the english out of the mire... it's also disgusting that historical english regiments are getting chopped...... this is the sort of treacherous shit that labour has always done, sold us out in Borneo, in Dhofar, in Aden, almost in the Falklands..these bastards need eliminating not the forces!
Who the hell wants the 1503 infantry battalion 32nd brigade, 45th army corps as the septics have? they've no regimental history and look at what a shower they are!!!!!
about the history of the scottish regiments who were always there to pull the english out of the mire... it's also disgusting that historical english regiments are getting chopped...... this is the sort of treacherous shit that labour has always done, sold us out in Borneo, in Dhofar, in Aden, almost in the Falklands..these bastards need eliminating not the forces! Who the hell wants the 1503 infantry battalion 32nd brigade, 45th army corps as the septics have? they've no regimental history and look at what a shower they are!!!!!
simpo two said:
'The price we pay for not going into politics is to be ruled by those less able than ourselves'
And herein lies the lesson. I totally agree and am first to admit that this country has gone to pot, it's going down the tubes I tells ya!
But what do we do about it? Oh yes, we post a thread on PH.
Perhaps, just maybe, we should do something about it.
Of course the mere hint of the phrase "we are reviewing the situation" at the time the uproar was first unleashed at the mention of combining regiments (soon after BW were sent up t'north of Iraq), meant that in reality this deal was cut and dried before it even hit the headlines...
Anyone who thought anything different, given the shite this government have continually come up with, is both naive and of wishful thinking...
Anyone who thought anything different, given the shite this government have continually come up with, is both naive and of wishful thinking...
It strikes me as absolute folly to even consider cutting the armed forces, when they are so heavily committed. Lesson 1 in Infantry training is that you still need men to hold ground, no matter how technologically advanced you are. Mind you I wouldn't let this w***** deploy toy soldiers.
[quote=Buffalo]Of course the mere hint of the phrase "we are reviewing the situation" at the time the uproar was first unleashed at the mention of combining regiments (soon after BW were sent up t'north of Iraq), meant that in reality this deal was cut and dried before it even hit the headlines... quote]
I was thinking that last night when the new Yorkshire Regiment were already dishing out recruiting Adverts and leaflets - takes longer than a couple of hours to design and print!
Piccy
I was thinking that last night when the new Yorkshire Regiment were already dishing out recruiting Adverts and leaflets - takes longer than a couple of hours to design and print!
Piccy
along with the rest of them in this "administration".
where shall i start:
the Royal Scots, the oldest regiment in the british army, the first of foot, "pontios pilot's body guard".
the Black watch, Loudin's Independant company of Highlanders, the 42nd, the Royal Highland Regiment.
the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders....the thin red line.
labour do not like this type of thing, not "new" enough for them. remember general jackson is a paid staff officer, he is paid to do what he is told by his political masters, pensions at stake you know. the decision was a MOD & cabinet one. the buck stops at the cabinet...and what a "fine body of men" they are...not.
these regiments including those south of the border can trace their history back to Charles II, through the fight with Napolean, Qatre Bras, Waterloo, to the Crimea, India and Afganistan conflict, the Boer War, WW I & II.
there have been many amalgamtions in the past, in 1995 the Gordon Highlanders marched into history.....
this labour lot don't understand that this medling & reductions causes more harm to recruiting and retention by stretching limited resources beyond acceptable levels of endurance. why can't the army recruit more soldiers? well who would want to join an under paid, under equipped armed force. it takes a special type of person to take the shilling but none of the cabinet would appreciate this as they are all career politicos and thus far proven to be completly spineless.
where shall i start:
the Royal Scots, the oldest regiment in the british army, the first of foot, "pontios pilot's body guard".
the Black watch, Loudin's Independant company of Highlanders, the 42nd, the Royal Highland Regiment.
the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders....the thin red line.
labour do not like this type of thing, not "new" enough for them. remember general jackson is a paid staff officer, he is paid to do what he is told by his political masters, pensions at stake you know. the decision was a MOD & cabinet one. the buck stops at the cabinet...and what a "fine body of men" they are...not.
these regiments including those south of the border can trace their history back to Charles II, through the fight with Napolean, Qatre Bras, Waterloo, to the Crimea, India and Afganistan conflict, the Boer War, WW I & II.
there have been many amalgamtions in the past, in 1995 the Gordon Highlanders marched into history.....
this labour lot don't understand that this medling & reductions causes more harm to recruiting and retention by stretching limited resources beyond acceptable levels of endurance. why can't the army recruit more soldiers? well who would want to join an under paid, under equipped armed force. it takes a special type of person to take the shilling but none of the cabinet would appreciate this as they are all career politicos and thus far proven to be completly spineless.
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