Do you believe in UFOs?
Discussion
los angeles said:
Fortysix per cent of the American population do according to a recent survey on what fears troubles them most.
My argument against the existence of UFOs is they seem to land in remote areas of the Arizona desert witnessed by an inebriated old panhandler and his deaf mule. I can't recall any flying saucers landing in Piccadilly Circus in the rush hour. "Oops! Zorg, you're reading the map upside down!"
I'd be interested to see the overlap between UFO believers and Republican voters - are they the same 46 % (plus a bit) that voted for Bush ?
Do I beleive in aliens that have landed on planet earth? No, but I'd love to think they did. It's this "wanting" to believe which will ensure that some people will always believe in UFO's. The fact is, "people believe what they want to believe".
What intrigues me, is that your post seems to imply that Americans are 'frightened' of UFO's - is that right?
What intrigues me, is that your post seems to imply that Americans are 'frightened' of UFO's - is that right?
It's a subject that I was consumed by about 10 years ago. It's really hard to give a credible rebuttal to a lot of sightings/experiences, some of the more famous ones that spring to mind are The Rendlesham Forest 'landing', Travis Walton (Fire in the Sky) and the Belgian UFO flap.
This year has been a bad one for Ufology with the deaths of Graham Birdsall, editor and owner of UFO Magazine and Gordon Creighton editor of Flying Saucer Review.
This year has been a bad one for Ufology with the deaths of Graham Birdsall, editor and owner of UFO Magazine and Gordon Creighton editor of Flying Saucer Review.
alfaman said:
Fortysix per cent of the American population do according to a recent survey on what fears troubles them most.
My argument against the existence of UFOs is they seem to land in remote areas of the Arizona desert witnessed by an inebriated old panhandler and his deaf mule. I can't recall any flying saucers landing in Piccadilly Circus in the rush hour. "Oops! Zorg, you're reading the map upside down!"
I'd be interested to see the overlap between UFO believers and Republican voters - are they the same 46 % (plus a bit) that voted for Bush ?
Regardless of how the US Election turned out, our elections are every four years, cannot be called at an opportune time that will guarantee his re-election and our leader can only stay around for 8 years.
How long do you figure Blair will be around???? Hmmmm????
los angeles said:
Yes. They're more scared of them than of terrorists, aids, or eathquakes. Weird- eh?
If it was any other country I'd say it was weird. In America nothing really surprises me.
I will say this though, if one of your biggest fears is being abducted by aliens then you must live a cushy life. I bet there aren't many Ethiopians or Iraqis that are worried by such possibilities!
Years ago, about the same time as Zorro above, I was very interested in this subject. I used to belong to a UFO and Paranormal Research Group. I was open minded, and generally leaned toward the opinion that it was possible that Extra Terrestrials were visting Earth.
Then the subject and group became infiltrated by total nutters who were not remotely interested in rational debate and discussion. Instead they were only interested in any scrap of information that reinforced their own particular belief system. The group grew from about 20 people to over a hundred in little under a year. A lot of the reason for this was The X-Files.
Very rapidly the subject became like a fringe religion. Because I questioned "evidence" I soon became known as an Arch Sceptic, and was pretty soon unwelcome at meetings. I left, never to return after a stand up row where I was denegrated as a non-believer after one more lunatic had stood up and propounded yet another preposterous theory as fact when they had no evidence at all.
My position now is this: I think Extra Terrestrial civilisations are inevitable. Drakes Law makes this virtually inevitable, and most scientists now accept that this is much more likely than not. I think it is far less likely that they are visiting us now. However, I do think there is a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that suggests the Earth may have been visited thousands of years ago.
Unfortunately, although "The Truth" may be "Out There", all interesting clues and evidence have been so muddied by the idiots involved in the subject that it is now pretty much impossible to discern what is fact and what is fiction.
>> Edited by alexkp on Thursday 16th December 22:32
Then the subject and group became infiltrated by total nutters who were not remotely interested in rational debate and discussion. Instead they were only interested in any scrap of information that reinforced their own particular belief system. The group grew from about 20 people to over a hundred in little under a year. A lot of the reason for this was The X-Files.
Very rapidly the subject became like a fringe religion. Because I questioned "evidence" I soon became known as an Arch Sceptic, and was pretty soon unwelcome at meetings. I left, never to return after a stand up row where I was denegrated as a non-believer after one more lunatic had stood up and propounded yet another preposterous theory as fact when they had no evidence at all.
My position now is this: I think Extra Terrestrial civilisations are inevitable. Drakes Law makes this virtually inevitable, and most scientists now accept that this is much more likely than not. I think it is far less likely that they are visiting us now. However, I do think there is a lot of compelling circumstantial evidence that suggests the Earth may have been visited thousands of years ago.
Unfortunately, although "The Truth" may be "Out There", all interesting clues and evidence have been so muddied by the idiots involved in the subject that it is now pretty much impossible to discern what is fact and what is fiction.
>> Edited by alexkp on Thursday 16th December 22:32
Aliens must exist IMHO
If you took every grain of sand of every beach in the world you still would not have as many grains as there are stars in the universe.If only 0.1% have a planet orbiting them its still lot.If only 0.1% of these can support life its still alot
We are not alone,but the chances of meeting "aliens" is remote at best
If you took every grain of sand of every beach in the world you still would not have as many grains as there are stars in the universe.If only 0.1% have a planet orbiting them its still lot.If only 0.1% of these can support life its still alot
We are not alone,but the chances of meeting "aliens" is remote at best
This is a picture of one of the UFOs seen over Belgium, this was witnessed by thousands of people, photographed and videotaped. Also seen on radar and chased by F16s who had it on their HUDs where it dropped 7000 feet in one second.
I've yet to hear a satisfactory conventional explanation, even the Colonel of the Belgian Air Force remarked at a press conference that he thought they were dealing with Extraterrestrial craft.
>> Edited by Zorro on Thursday 16th December 22:42
I've yet to hear a satisfactory conventional explanation, even the Colonel of the Belgian Air Force remarked at a press conference that he thought they were dealing with Extraterrestrial craft.
>> Edited by Zorro on Thursday 16th December 22:42
just dave said:
los angeles said:
Fortysix per cent of the American population do according to a recent survey on what fears troubles them most.
My argument against the existence of UFOs is they seem to land in remote areas of the Arizona desert witnessed by an inebriated old panhandler and his deaf mule. I can't recall any flying saucers landing in Piccadilly Circus in the rush hour. "Oops! Zorg, you're reading the map upside down!"
I'd be interested to see the overlap between UFO believers and Republican voters - are they the same 46 % (plus a bit) that voted for Bush ?
Regardless of how the US Election turned out, our elections are every four years, cannot be called at an opportune time that will guarantee his re-election and our leader can only stay around for 8 years.
How long do you figure Blair will be around???? Hmmmm????
Well - its now 7 1/2 years too long so far !!
srebbe64 said:
The fact is, "people believe what they want to believe".
Terry Goodkind's Wizard's first rule. "People are stupid - they will believe what they want to believe or what they are afraid to believe".
I am of the Monty python thought on this - I want to believe there is intelligent life somewhere out there 'cause there's
er all here on earthZorro said:
This is a picture of one of the UFOs seen over Belgium, this was witnessed by thousands of people, photographed and videotaped. Also seen on radar and chased by F16s who had it on their HUDs where it dropped 7000 feet in one second.
I've yet to hear a satisfactory explanation, even the Colonel of the Belgian Air Force remarked at a press conference that he thought they were dealing with Extraterrestrial craft.
So there is life out there! However, clearly it's not 'intelligent' life, because it decided to come 50 trillion light years to visit 'Belgium'.
srebbe64 said:
This is a picture of one of the UFOs seen over Belgium, this was witnessed by thousands of people, photographed and videotaped. Also seen on radar and chased by F16s who had it on their HUDs where it dropped 7000 feet in one second.
I've yet to hear a satisfactory explanation, even the Colonel of the Belgian Air Force remarked at a press conference that he thought they were dealing with Extraterrestrial craft.
So there is life out there! However, clearly it's not 'intelligent' life, because it decided to come 50 trillion light years to visit 'Belgium'.
Maybe they came for the beer
los angeles said:
I'm sure I came across that news event but can't remember details.
It was in 1991. I've just googled it, but there is literally tons of crap on the Net regarding UFO's, and to be honest I'm not sure I can stand trawling through it all to find the relevant stuff.
Exactly the problem with UFOlogy I'm afraid.
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