Chav == "Cheltenham Average"

Chav == "Cheltenham Average"

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JonRB

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76,113 posts

279 months

Monday 13th December 2004
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Sad to hear my home town tarred as the birthplace of the word "Chav"

Telegraph said:
It is one of the etymological questions of the age: from where, exactly, do we get the word chav?

Now, at last, there is an answer.

Chav, as anyone not living on Mars for the last few months knows, is the buzzword of 2004 - a suitably monosyllabic noun or adjective designed to illuminate that which is most appalling in the young, designer-label-obsessed under-class of early 21st century Britain.

When you see a stunted teenager, apparently jobless, hanging around outside McDonald's dressed in a Burberry baseball cap, Ben Sherman shirt, ultra-white Reebok trainers and dripping in bling (cheap, tasteless and usually gold-coloured jewellery), he will almost certainly be a chav.

If he has difficulty framing the words "you gotta problem mate?" then he will definitely be a chav. Very short hair and souped-up Vauxhall Novas are chav, as is functional illiteracy, a burgeoning career in petty crime and the wearing of one's mobile telephone around the neck.

Chavs are most at home in run-down, small-town shopping precincts, smoking and shouting at their mates. A teenage single mum chewing gum or drawing on a cigarette as she pushes her baby, Keanu, to McDonald's to meet the chav she believes to be his father is a chavette.

So, who coined such a sneeringly useful term? Well, the pupils of Cheltenham Ladies College, apparently.

Rumour in the town has it that chav is derived from Cheltenham Average, the name given by the young ladies to the less-eligible young men of the town.

Rob Garnham, the mayor of Cheltenham, was less than pleased with the suggestion, pointing out that: "I am a Cheltenham Mr Average and I'm definitely not scum.'' He went on: "As someone who speaks for the people of the town, I'm sure we feel insulted by the term. People should come and see Cheltenham and realise what it's really like."

Vicky Tuck, principal of the 150-year-old college, was appalled by the suggestion that her girls, schooled so tirelessly in the need to respect other less favoured members of society, could have come up with such a derogatory label.

"It is offensive because it's deprecating one group of people against another," she said. "If we're trying to stand for anything here it's respecting all kinds of people living together in harmony. That's what I spend my waking hours trying to do.

"Social mobility comes primarily through education not wealth, and if more people believe we are a more class-ridden society then that's indicative, I think, of poverty of education."

Mrs Tuck believes chav derives from chavi, the 19th century Romany word for child.


(Source: Telegraph)

Incidentally, if all the girls at Cheltenham Ladies College (or "greenfly" as we knew them) were laid end-to-end, then I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Duncan23

142 posts

241 months

Monday 13th December 2004
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And there was me thinking it stood for Council Housing And Violent????

sccbishop

8,800 posts

289 months

Monday 13th December 2004
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We knew the ladies college as The Virgin Megastore

SiH

1,835 posts

254 months

Monday 13th December 2004
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Chav comes from Chatham in Kent, everyone knows that......... don't they?

markmullen

15,877 posts

241 months

Monday 13th December 2004
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JonRB said:

Incidentally, if all the girls at Cheltenham Ladies College ... were laid end-to-end


Mmmmmmmmmm, nice thought

vixpy1

42,676 posts

271 months

Monday 13th December 2004
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SiH said:
Chav comes from Chatham in Kent, everyone knows that......... don't they?


I Do!

mcflurry

9,136 posts

260 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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It's not Chatham..... It's "Chaitham upon Medway" or "Chaithum sur Mer"

chief-0369

1,195 posts

259 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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The word and subject have been around for at least 8 years. It was used when I was at school and it refered to those who hailed from "Chaitham upon medway" or Chatem as the locals knew it.

Of course the chav wasnt restricted to Chatham and so anyone who resembled a Chatham native was refered to as a chav.

nickster

490 posts

255 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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To throw another one in the mix here - I've heard it 10 years ago and it was to do with gippos.

A mate from near Newark was familar with the local pikey scum and was the first person I ever heard talking about chavs.

sparkythecat

7,961 posts

262 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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We've been here recently haven't we chaps?

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&h=&t=131008

JonRB

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76,113 posts

279 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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You mean we've discussed a Telegraph article on a link between Chavness and Cheltenham before? Amazing.

peterpeter

6,437 posts

264 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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SiH said:
Chav comes from Chatham in Kent, everyone knows that......... don't they?



correct answer...

The chathamites were also called "chavs" 20 years ago.

I should know, I lived in Rochester, nearby.