Discussion
Jury Duty and why do we have to do it,
come on this is old hat now if you do not want to do you should not have to!!! as i have one of our employees at jury duty it is costing me a fourtune in the loss of work and he will not get his full wages, (think i pay him too much 
). i feel like saying sorry under the human rights act you cannot make my employees do this duty 
.
People who say yes we like doing this is usualy the ones who are scivers and low payed in my oppinion anyway, my employee has not done anythink yet he is bored out of his mind he has to go on the bus because they will not give you the right allowances, also near to xmas he certainly will not meet his bonus and he will be short in his wage packet, sorry i am not a multimillion pound company and cannot compensate, in other circumstances i would have given him the sack oops let him go i mean, smaller companies could go bump lets face it
come on this is old hat now if you do not want to do you should not have to!!! as i have one of our employees at jury duty it is costing me a fourtune in the loss of work and he will not get his full wages, (think i pay him too much ). i feel like saying sorry under the human rights act you cannot make my employees do this duty . People who say yes we like doing this is usualy the ones who are scivers and low payed in my oppinion anyway, my employee has not done anythink yet he is bored out of his mind he has to go on the bus because they will not give you the right allowances, also near to xmas he certainly will not meet his bonus and he will be short in his wage packet, sorry i am not a multimillion pound company and cannot compensate, in other circumstances i would have given him the sack oops let him go i mean, smaller companies could go bump lets face it
I did my second stint of Jury service in October. I was dreading it as my first stint was an incredibly boring waste of my time.
As it turned out, the case I got onto was quite interesting and I've been meaning to post on SP&L about it. It concerned an off-duty BiB who was accused of giving a false account of why he should be travelling at 103mph average up the A1. (Watch out for Skodas keeping pace in your rear view mirror around Peterborough).
Totally agree about the buggeration factor, though. I was reintroduced to the joys of bus usage - how a 10 minute journey can take 1hr 10m when factoring in waiting for the damn thing. Fortunately my boss just paid me but I've moaned about this before - the £58 a day they pay for the first two weeks amounts to around £12.5k pa. The average earnings in this country are around £23-24K. I would have been well short if my boss hadn't taken it on the chin.
As it turned out, the case I got onto was quite interesting and I've been meaning to post on SP&L about it. It concerned an off-duty BiB who was accused of giving a false account of why he should be travelling at 103mph average up the A1. (Watch out for Skodas keeping pace in your rear view mirror around Peterborough).
Totally agree about the buggeration factor, though. I was reintroduced to the joys of bus usage - how a 10 minute journey can take 1hr 10m when factoring in waiting for the damn thing. Fortunately my boss just paid me but I've moaned about this before - the £58 a day they pay for the first two weeks amounts to around £12.5k pa. The average earnings in this country are around £23-24K. I would have been well short if my boss hadn't taken it on the chin.
rsvmilly said:
I did my second stint of Jury service in October. I was dreading it as my first stint was an incredibly boring waste of my time.
As it turned out, the case I got onto was quite interesting
i believe that the more times you do it, the more "interesting" the cases get, as they don't want first-timers on the big stuff.
stesrg said:
i feel like saying sorry under the human rights act you cannot make my employees do this duty
Unfortunately, the media pre-occupation with rights has led to people forgetting about responsibilities. If you live in a civilised society with trial by jury then occasionally it is your responsibility to be on a jury. Simple really.
You can't have rights without responsibilitieswolves_wanderer said:
i feel like saying sorry under the human rights act you cannot make my employees do this duty
Unfortunately, the media pre-occupation with rights has led to people forgetting about responsibilities. If you live in a civilised society with trial by jury then occasionally it is your responsibility to be on a jury. Simple really.
Fine
but what about compensating the employer, No they do not care what effect this has on jobs to complete, penalty clawses etc, trying to get a skilled man in to cover imposible eh! so why not pick the less skilled people as their is a shortage of skilled people in our trade, that is why i pay them good money. If they had the brains they should vet them and prey on the less effected sinario.
Steve.
stesrg said:
so why not pick the less skilled people as their is a shortage of skilled people in our trade
So you would be quite happy for there to be a lot of Burberry and very few jobs in every jury? The whole point is that a jury should be a cross-section of society, which, unfortunately for you (and anyone who runs a business) occasionally includes the skilled and hard-working-although they are becoming increasingly atypical, in this country at least.
If an employee from this company had to do jury duty longer than a day or 2, then we would cease to exist within 7 days. We simply cannot cover an empty seat (theres only 4 workers + the boss here). Suerly in this situation you cant be expected to perform jury duty, and therefore put 5 people out of work.
However i'd also like to see a minimum intelligence requirement for juries. 3 gcse's/O'levels at A - C?
However i'd also like to see a minimum intelligence requirement for juries. 3 gcse's/O'levels at A - C?
There should be a minimum level of education needed to be a jury member. As for jury service, i have no problem with it. It is inconvenient for employers (and employees) but its hardly the end of the world! With the government pressing for more trials without juries (justice? whats that?) the duty of doing jury service should supported.
MilnerR said:
There should be a minimum level of education needed to be a jury member.
Interesting point.
I work with a lot of educated and non-educated people. Interestingly the ones with the most bizarre views (children must not be smacked ever / speed kills / the government never lies) are the most educated, yet the most blinkered when it comes to common sense. Granted there is a higer chance of landing up with a total and utter job-dodging reject if you pick those of a very low education standard but its not always the case.
I failed most of my GCSE's at school and I now hold a resonably well paid and respectable job which I am told I am very good at, also it is the foundation of my small company which is growing. By that standard I am not educated. However I failed my GCSE's because I went to a crap school and I wasnt motivated into doing my coursework - hence failed.
Someone with an education is not always the answer - however there are few easy tests that determine a well rounded individual...
You make a very good point Ghost and it did cross my mind when i made the point about education. What i should have put is a minimum level of literacy and numeracy rather than jurors all having PhDs.
As my old dad says "so much bloody knowledge there's no bloody room for common sense!" (usually said about his solicitor, doctor, dentist etc.
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As my old dad says "so much bloody knowledge there's no bloody room for common sense!" (usually said about his solicitor, doctor, dentist etc.
)
Munter said:
If an employee from this company had to do jury duty longer than a day or 2, then we would cease to exist within 7 days. We simply cannot cover an empty seat (theres only 4 workers + the boss here). Suerly in this situation you cant be expected to perform jury duty, and therefore put 5 people out of work.
So if one of the 5 employees ever gets ill, the whole company will go belly up? And what about holidays? Or do you have to take you entitlement one day at a time? 
MilnerR said:
You make a very good point Ghost and it did cross my mind when i made the point about education. What i should have put is a minimum level of literacy and numeracy rather than jurors all having PhDs.
As my old dad says "so much bloody knowledge there's no bloody room for common sense!" (usually said about his solicitor, doctor, dentist etc.
Just throught about a jury full of PHd's - didnt know whether to
or 
!!!!! Scarey thought none the less
Minimum level of lit and num should rule out most of the chavs. Luckily the lack of which precludes them from jobs that they could do some REAL harm in!!
thegreatsoprendo said:
If an employee from this company had to do jury duty longer than a day or 2, then we would cease to exist within 7 days. We simply cannot cover an empty seat (theres only 4 workers + the boss here). Suerly in this situation you cant be expected to perform jury duty, and therefore put 5 people out of work.
All of our holidays are booked well in advanced and also i have a bonus scheem which they loose if they are off ill, never had anyone off more than 3 days in 10 years guess i am luckie in that respect, i can stand a few days but weeks is taking the p
ss. We would not go belly up however we would loose dam good customers.
Steve.
birdbrain said:
Not being funny, but does that mean they lose their bonus if they are genuinely ill, say with serious flu or something else that would prevent them going to work? If so, it doesn't really seem fair...
Its a tough game in our trade and my blokes know it and they are rewarded in top pay plus other benifits,
keeps them keen though, and if they are propper ill they can claim off their own insurances paid for by me.
Steve.
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