Ian f**king Paisley
Discussion
"Disarming" has always been a political decision.
No one knows how many weapons they have, and they can always buy more if needed.
Paisley has impressed me recently by (a)not shouting so much and (b) sounding like he's moved a step closer to being able to see 'reasonable' with a large telescope.
Shame he's feked it up again.
No one knows how many weapons they have, and they can always buy more if needed.
Paisley has impressed me recently by (a)not shouting so much and (b) sounding like he's moved a step closer to being able to see 'reasonable' with a large telescope.
Shame he's feked it up again.
Apache said:
no I don't entirely, GA is the spectre of death. Any step forward is knocked back by Paisley and his request for photgraphs is unreasonable
Paisley shouldn't be discredited for the current situation - Gerry bloody Adams should be - I don't believe theIRA will agree to ANY evidence being taken of weapons being put out of use - the IRA would be "humiliated " ( poor little lambs ... ahhhh ).
So a bunch of fecking terrorists are holding up the peace process because they don't want to be seen as "weak" ,and don't want to "lose face" .... or could it be that they don't have ANY intention of disarming , and photgraphic evidence would call their bluff ?
It's 2004, not 1974 ffs.
This is supposed to be a civilised part of the world, not downtown Fallujah.
Why does a group that wants political acceptability need weapons, unless as suggested above they still have a nefarious agenda?
What about UN inspectors? At least this time they would be shown the weapons, rather than suspecting they are there and trying to find them.
This is supposed to be a civilised part of the world, not downtown Fallujah.
Why does a group that wants political acceptability need weapons, unless as suggested above they still have a nefarious agenda?
What about UN inspectors? At least this time they would be shown the weapons, rather than suspecting they are there and trying to find them.
Quite frankly I couldn't give a flying f**k if the IRA or anybody else is armed to the teeth, so long as they're not using the weapons, they could rearm by christmas anyway if they wanted to. The fact is Paisley is not now nor ever has been at all interested in allowing catholics in northern ireland a share in the running of the place. The man is an unmitigated git. Not of course that Gerry Adams is any better, I despair of the whole mess.
I'm no big supporter of Sinn Fein, but Ian Paisley is one dangerous man. He will always move the goalposts to suit his own ends, his past is not exactly lilywhite. Anyone remember his 'army' of farmers all brandishing legally held firearms? His triumphalist arrogance holding hands with Trimble when they had forced their way down the Garvaghy Road? Paisley doesn't want a peaceful solution, he would have no reason to exist then, unless it was on his terms where he could be his arrogant condescending best.
Love or hate the IRA, but the catholic population of Norn Iron would not have the equality of status they enjoy today without them. That may be unpalletable to us mainlanders, but it's a very real feeling among the left footers of the province.
Love or hate the IRA, but the catholic population of Norn Iron would not have the equality of status they enjoy today without them. That may be unpalletable to us mainlanders, but it's a very real feeling among the left footers of the province.
Two ways of looking at this (imo)
On the one hand, Paisley is not being unreasonable wanting to see some kind of photographic proof that the IRA have put their weapons "beyond use".......
(Despite the fact that the protestant UVF and UFF have made no such undertaking).......
But, even if the IRA destroyed every single weapon and bullet they had, there would be nothing to stop them obtaining plenty more the very next week........
This sectarian problem has gone on over 400 years, and I suspect it will go on another 400......
Best we can hope for is the lid is kept on things......
On the one hand, Paisley is not being unreasonable wanting to see some kind of photographic proof that the IRA have put their weapons "beyond use".......
(Despite the fact that the protestant UVF and UFF have made no such undertaking).......
But, even if the IRA destroyed every single weapon and bullet they had, there would be nothing to stop them obtaining plenty more the very next week........
This sectarian problem has gone on over 400 years, and I suspect it will go on another 400......
Best we can hope for is the lid is kept on things......
Wacky Racer said:
But, even if the IRA destroyed every single weapon and bullet they had, there would be nothing to stop them obtaining plenty more the very next week........
This sectarian problem has gone on over 400 years, and I suspect it will go on another 400......
Yep, no side is going to hand all its weapons over unilaterally.
Why don't we give NI independence? It might save a fortune.
IvIark said:
Love or hate the IRA, but the catholic population of Norn Iron would not have the equality of status they enjoy today without them.
Aah bless 'em, and it only took the murder of women and children out shopping but it's all in a good cause.
UDA UVF UFF and similar are hardly bloody lillywhite here. Rightly or wrongly for many years this mess was considered a war by both sides and a lot of unpleasant things happened.
einion yrth said:
UDA UVF UFF and similar are hardly bloody lillywhite here. Rightly or wrongly for many years this mess was considered a war by both sides and a lot of unpleasant things happened.
Anyone who kills innocent people, particularly children, in order to further their cause are detestable scum and that includes the UDA, UVF or anyone else who may have done it. The IRA may have a lot more support if their methods weren't so moronic.
IvIark said:
Love or hate the IRA, but the catholic population of Norn Iron would not have the equality of status they enjoy today without them.
Aah bless 'em, and it only took the murder of women and children out shopping but it's all in a good cause.
Didn't say I agreed with this, as it happens there is some truth in it, and I don't advocate their ways and means. But as said above the loyalist paramilitaries are no better - in fact they would probably be worse if they had the same funding. The UVF actually did have a bombing campaign in Eire and did murder innocent people, they just didn't have the funds to carry it on.
IvIark said:
Love or hate the IRA, but the catholic population of Norn Iron would not have the equality of status they enjoy today without them.
Aah bless 'em, and it only took the murder of women and children out shopping but it's all in a good cause.
Yep-- all the Catholic women and children blown to pieces by the real-IRA in August 98 South of the border (sorry ...can't remember the town )had "equality" to the '000's of Protestants killed by the IRA North of the border over the years.
But , hey , it was all for a good cause.
IvIark said:
UDA UVF UFF and similar are hardly bloody lillywhite here. Rightly or wrongly for many years this mess was considered a war by both sides and a lot of unpleasant things happened.
Anyone who kills innocent people, particularly children, in order to further their cause are detestable scum and that includes the UDA, UVF or anyone else who may have done it. The IRA may have a lot more support if their methods weren't so moronic.
And your opinion of the ANC in South Africa is........?
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