looks like i will be getting christmas off!
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i have been informed that the company ********* are sub-contracted to has decided that they will not pay double-bubble for their security staff working over the christmas and the new year period....even though they are bank holidays and the main holiday in the christian calendar (not to mention the only time we actually get a decent hourly wage).....theyre 
shitcunt scrooge bastards.
so it has been decided that from tonight on our site (and will hopefully be agreed with every other site's officers in the group) the times of work will be thus.......
from midnight on christmas eve until just after midnight on the day after boxing day there will be no security officer/s on any site.
there will be no security cover on bank holidays.
we are also going this route too:
working hours will be followed to the minute,12hr shifts will be 12hrs long,not 12.5 because someones late......no relief after 12hrs,no guard is on site...simple.
there are going to be alot of things about to hit ********* hard in the face when the company who they are contracted to find out that every one of the sites in the country is going to be following suit aswell (garanteed!) leaving hundreds of millions of pounds worth of high-tec equipment and machinery laying around without anyone to look after it.
they will be leaving the internet memory system thatt contain ALL online systems to possibly overheat due to coolers malfunctioning and no monitoring station or guard around to keep an eye on it.
the t.v coolers going tits-up as no-one is around to check the things havny gone into alarm,resulting in a shutdown which could affect all customers.
telephone systems crashing and no-one there to call an engineer,again effecting all customers.
possible attack from thieves wanting the memory boards or whatever from the technical areas/computers/etc.
this doesnt just include site security but also includes the monitoring stations who are also paid by ********* too as they aint happy either!
there is alot of other shit we do too....im still fumeing so im gonna go and have a ciggy.
what do you guys/girls think of their decision and our possible retalitory decision???
>>> Edited down as i got a little carried away and added something that was just being mulled over.....and still is.
>>> Edited by cortinaman on Saturday 4th December 02:14
shitcunt scrooge bastards. so it has been decided that from tonight on our site (and will hopefully be agreed with every other site's officers in the group) the times of work will be thus.......
from midnight on christmas eve until just after midnight on the day after boxing day there will be no security officer/s on any site.
there will be no security cover on bank holidays.
we are also going this route too:
working hours will be followed to the minute,12hr shifts will be 12hrs long,not 12.5 because someones late......no relief after 12hrs,no guard is on site...simple.
there are going to be alot of things about to hit ********* hard in the face when the company who they are contracted to find out that every one of the sites in the country is going to be following suit aswell (garanteed!) leaving hundreds of millions of pounds worth of high-tec equipment and machinery laying around without anyone to look after it.
they will be leaving the internet memory system thatt contain ALL online systems to possibly overheat due to coolers malfunctioning and no monitoring station or guard around to keep an eye on it.
the t.v coolers going tits-up as no-one is around to check the things havny gone into alarm,resulting in a shutdown which could affect all customers.
telephone systems crashing and no-one there to call an engineer,again effecting all customers.
possible attack from thieves wanting the memory boards or whatever from the technical areas/computers/etc.
this doesnt just include site security but also includes the monitoring stations who are also paid by ********* too as they aint happy either!
there is alot of other shit we do too....im still fumeing so im gonna go and have a ciggy.
what do you guys/girls think of their decision and our possible retalitory decision???
>>> Edited down as i got a little carried away and added something that was just being mulled over.....and still is.
>>> Edited by cortinaman on Saturday 4th December 02:14
What do I think?
I think that you are being petty and dishonourable.
And I think that it's this shitty attitude that has left you doing such a crappy job.
You are of course fully entitled to act the way you are doing, but you have no right to whinge when you end up having to burn your shoes to stay alive two weeks after you retire, because you have spent your life doing the minimum you can get away with.
I think that you are being petty and dishonourable.
And I think that it's this shitty attitude that has left you doing such a crappy job.
You are of course fully entitled to act the way you are doing, but you have no right to whinge when you end up having to burn your shoes to stay alive two weeks after you retire, because you have spent your life doing the minimum you can get away with.
well,i didnt expect any diffrent from yourself.....you just come on to cause shit anyway.
also wtf is dishonerable in us taking action in something that they have decided to withdraw without discussion?
we are not just talking about a couple of people getting fecked over by this,we are talking well over 200 security personel throughout the country.
>> Edited by cortinaman on Saturday 4th December 01:07
also wtf is dishonerable in us taking action in something that they have decided to withdraw without discussion?
we are not just talking about a couple of people getting fecked over by this,we are talking well over 200 security personel throughout the country.
>> Edited by cortinaman on Saturday 4th December 01:07
Northernboy said:
What do I think?
I think that you are being petty and dishonourable.
And I think that it's this shitty attitude that has left you doing such a crappy job.
You are of course fully entitled to act the way you are doing, but you have no right to whinge when you end up having to burn your shoes to stay alive two weeks after you retire, because you have spent your life doing the minimum you can get away with.
I think you need to take a chill pill
If you have worked for such organisations and they take the piss then you need to stand tall.
If you don't they will continue. As far as I am concerned it is a legal insurance requirement for security teams to work accordingly to their schedule; and if it would imply a breach of overall security it is the responsibility of the employer to provide such notice for the employees. If it were you where would you stand
Northernboy: is this how it is 'up north' or you just having a bad day?
Hi Tony! I have bad news I am afraid. Have a read of the artlicle below.
www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/rp2001/rp01-022.pdf
Scroll down to page 8 and read section C. I know this bill is for retail, but it does state that Xmas day is not a bank holiday and employers do not have to pay extra for working.
I would sit down and have good read of your contract as well before you do anything.
I know this doesn't help, but I agree with you, they are being tightwads.
>> Edited by zetec on Saturday 4th December 01:10
www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/rp2001/rp01-022.pdf
Scroll down to page 8 and read section C. I know this bill is for retail, but it does state that Xmas day is not a bank holiday and employers do not have to pay extra for working.
I would sit down and have good read of your contract as well before you do anything.
I know this doesn't help, but I agree with you, they are being tightwads.
>> Edited by zetec on Saturday 4th December 01:10
hello steve,hows everything??
in our contracts that we signed it states that we will be paid double on chrimbo/boxing day,new years day and bank holidays.....they are the ones who have decided to cross the line.
hence why we are all peeved with this news.
also,as we dont actually work in the retail sector of security staff i dont think these rules actually apply to us.
oh and ultimasimon,your quite correct. the insurance is void if no security are on site.
>> Edited by cortinaman on Saturday 4th December 01:22
in our contracts that we signed it states that we will be paid double on chrimbo/boxing day,new years day and bank holidays.....they are the ones who have decided to cross the line.
hence why we are all peeved with this news.
also,as we dont actually work in the retail sector of security staff i dont think these rules actually apply to us.
oh and ultimasimon,your quite correct. the insurance is void if no security are on site.
>> Edited by cortinaman on Saturday 4th December 01:22
I was contracted to work with Siemens on the Millenium night at Heathrow's Terminal 4, following the Millenium Bug Threat (I thought).
When I got there I was told 'wrong shift mate' as those that were legitably there got double time, and I had totally got the dates monumentally wrong
To my suprise one of the techs was absent as his wife was mid delivery on his 1st child and he had got his wife to ring in about 5 minutes before
..and I got paid but when the guy I was covering missed out (and had a 9lb monster of a baby - read large no bad ) I was quite happy to donate my overtime to him as a public vote to my dissaproval to their 'bent' compainies policy
When I got there I was told 'wrong shift mate' as those that were legitably there got double time, and I had totally got the dates monumentally wrong
To my suprise one of the techs was absent as his wife was mid delivery on his 1st child and he had got his wife to ring in about 5 minutes before
..and I got paid but when the guy I was covering missed out (and had a 9lb monster of a baby - read large no bad
) I was quite happy to donate my overtime to him as a public vote to my dissaproval to their 'bent' compainies policy ultimasimon said:
Northernboy: is this how it is 'up north' or you just having a bad day?
Well, I know it was a bit of a rant, but I just don't like the socialist view that says 'Stuff my employers, I am going to do everything in my power to wriggle out of paying".
No firm I have worked for sits there all day thinking of ways to justify cutting my wage for the last month, so why do we think it's ok to, for example, pretend we can't get to work when the first flakes of snow fall?
The deal, as I see it, is this. I try my best to get to work, to do my job, and to do it well, and my firm pays me the agreed amount of money in exchange.
If they don't offer great overtime, I might not do any extra hours, but I certainly don't "retaliate" by then cheating them on my normal work days.
We often read in here of the evils done to society by layabouts and freeloaders. Surely witholding labour for no legitimate reason is a bad thing, isn't it?
No it's not and I apologise for the 'Northernn thing' comment as you touched a nerve 
But realising that I had the basic ability to work for myself was the best thing I had done at that age
and hearing of someone else's peril at the hands of a w*nker of an employer pisses me off.
In England if we show adversity or the willingness to be taxed - we are of the: tax is 'sheepingly acceptable' brigade - under this government
I say "A man with skills is better off working for himself" with drive, ambition, determination and skill" than being polluted in the Employee Rat Race
But realising that I had the basic ability to work for myself was the best thing I had done at that age
and hearing of someone else's peril at the hands of a w*nker of an employer pisses me off. In England if we show adversity or the willingness to be taxed - we are of the: tax is 'sheepingly acceptable' brigade - under this government
I say "A man with skills is better off working for himself" with drive, ambition, determination and skill" than being polluted in the Employee Rat Race
Hang on a sec.
Are you cheesed off because they're not paying overtime on Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day this year?
These days are at the weekend and are therefore NOT public holidays.
However there ARE three public holidays over the period and, presumably, on these days there *will* be compensation?
If you are cheesed off they're not offering six days worth of compensation then you are expecting a lot of an employer IMHO. In fact *that* position is totally unreasonable.
If, on the other hand, you are cheesed off because they not even offering three days of compensation for working on public holidays then you have a fair point.
I can't tell from your original post which it is.
But being fair thinking about it surely your employer would be right to be offering extra compensation for public holiday working but not for other days?
Its just *this* year that's a bit funny. If all the public holidays fell on normal working days I'll bet you wouldn't be having this discussion.
Are you cheesed off because they're not paying overtime on Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day this year?
These days are at the weekend and are therefore NOT public holidays.
However there ARE three public holidays over the period and, presumably, on these days there *will* be compensation?
If you are cheesed off they're not offering six days worth of compensation then you are expecting a lot of an employer IMHO. In fact *that* position is totally unreasonable.
If, on the other hand, you are cheesed off because they not even offering three days of compensation for working on public holidays then you have a fair point.
I can't tell from your original post which it is.
But being fair thinking about it surely your employer would be right to be offering extra compensation for public holiday working but not for other days?
Its just *this* year that's a bit funny. If all the public holidays fell on normal working days I'll bet you wouldn't be having this discussion.
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