Illegal DIY - are you bothered?

Illegal DIY - are you bothered?

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Byff

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4,427 posts

268 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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As everyone here surely knows by now, DIY on electrical installations in your kitchen/bathroom and garden is to become regulated in 2005.

I have registered with the Domestic installers scheme, but it's going to cost £400/year.

At the moment, I only do a few Govvy jobs, but with an outlay like that, I need to justify the expense for the few jobs that I do, so....

1, Do you think DIY'ers will bother getting their work checked, or just ignore the new rules.

2, Should I jack in my job and concentrate on being an electrical contractor full time?

I just dunno what to do.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

277 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Demand for sparkies will be through the roof.

If you can easily pass the tests then perhaps its the way forward?

fish

3,998 posts

289 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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DIY will continue. In actual practise the regs are more prohibitive than the corgie ones for gas whihc is far more dangerous.

A sensible way would have been to inspect consumer units only.

But that said it won't stop a soul, it will just mean more cowboys will make money out of people offering safty insp.

minimax

11,984 posts

263 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Byff said:
As everyone here surely knows by now, DIY on electrical installations in your kitchen/bathroom and garden is to become regulated in 2005.

I have registered with the Domestic installers scheme, but it's going to cost £400/year.

At the moment, I only do a few Govvy jobs, but with an outlay like that, I need to justify the expense for the few jobs that I do, so....

1, Do you think DIY'ers will bother getting their work checked, or just ignore the new rules.

2, Should I jack in my job and concentrate on being an electrical contractor full time?

I just dunno what to do.



I suspect that no one except people who need to rent out their properties will get the work checked...

btw, many appo-logies oh fixer man, I will get my ass in gear ASAP!

BliarOut

72,857 posts

246 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Who's going to know....

Next year, I will mostly be doing my own repairs

venom

1,858 posts

266 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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I thought I read somewhere that it won't only cost you #400 but also you have to be monitored for 6 months? I too will mostly be doing my own work next year!

Byff

Original Poster:

4,427 posts

268 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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minimax said:

btw, many appo-logies oh fixer man, I will get my ass in gear ASAP!


No problem mate, I've got nothing on ATM till February. BTW, I need to know who your electric supplier is so I can arrange a temp de-energisation.

mutt k

3,961 posts

245 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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No doubt when this comes into force and you want to sell your house you will have to declare in enquiries before contract whether or not any electrical work has been carried out, and if so, whether it was carried out by an approved installer. If you've done the work yourself but don't declare it, and something goes wrong later on, then you will leave yourself open to a claim for misrepresentation.

All imho of course.

Byff

Original Poster:

4,427 posts

268 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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The problem I see is how do they know when you did the work?

All this work was done prior to 2005 gov, honest.

I've got a feeling that I might just stay a cowboy - yee haa! Laser printed certificates hehe.

viggen114

259 posts

260 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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bylf said:
All this work was done prior to 2005 gov, honest.


they changed the cable to a different colour
so anyone with stock of the old has a valuable asset

chrisgr31

13,741 posts

262 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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viggen114 said:



they changed the cable to a different colour
so anyone with stock of the old has a valuable asset



Not yet they haven't! So solution is to buy a reel of cable now. Could still be using it in years to come!

BliarOut

72,857 posts

246 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Which cable, FT&E?

I may just nip out tomorrow and get myself a reel

wedg1e

26,891 posts

272 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Depends how draconian it really gets, ie if it's possible to still buy the materials (you can buy a gas fire or boiler in B&Q, they don't exactly ask you for ID ) then people will still do their own. I know I bloody will.

Byff, if you need any staff let me know, I know my surface pattress from my ELCB...

Actually, probably not a good time to be talking about DIY; I've just ripped two tiled walls of my bathroom out - along with the plasterboard... and the shower, sink, pipes, wires, radiator etc.
Just got the bog plumbed back in, I used it earlier after I turned the water off and it was getting a little unsavoury...

Right, now for some plasterboard...

Ian

dnb

3,330 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Hmm, MEng in electrical and electronic engineering, MIEE, soon to be CENG. Does this mean I can wire a plug up when I'm at work? No.

It seems I'm allowed to design the power station, but not to use the electricity.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

262 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Damn....so accidental electrocution now has to be deleted from my arsenal of weapons.........

Tea and bickies cancelled, Mr Prescott......

Byff

Original Poster:

4,427 posts

268 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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viggen114 said:


bylf said:
All this work was done prior to 2005 gov, honest.




they changed the cable to a different colour
so anyone with stock of the old has a valuable asset




Don't get me on about the colour changes

We can have a mixed installation where we have a trunking containing old and new circuits. Old three phase red,yellow and Blue and a new single phase brown and blue. Your in the middle of the trunking and need to repair the single phase neutral - which blue wire do you cut? Ones live, ones neutral.

Obviously anyone with an ounce of sense would know, but I'm talking about those dodgy electricians that don't know their arse from their elbow

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cotty

40,293 posts

291 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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Byff said:

All this work was done prior to 2005 gov, honest.


but anyone buying a house after 2005 will be stuffed.
I have a mate who is a sparky so no prob

chrisgr31

13,741 posts

262 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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BliarOut said:
Which cable, FT&E?

I may just nip out tomorrow and get myself a reel


The cable which is currently white will soon be grey!

I am sure this whole thing has not been thought out properly, but then I suppose that shouldn;t be a suprise.

wedge girl

4,688 posts

246 months

Friday 3rd December 2004
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This means we've only got 28 days to finish the kitchen.

Ballistic Banana

14,700 posts

274 months

Saturday 4th December 2004
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dnb said:
Hmm, MEng in electrical and electronic engineering, MIEE, soon to be CENG. Does this mean I can wire a plug up when I'm at work? No.

It seems I'm allowed to design the power station, but not to use the electricity.


Know exactly what you mean.

I can build a 11000 volt line supplying a whole village and then a 415/240 line in and around the village and put the cable into your house up to the meter.
But I cant wire a light switch come on !!!

BB