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Naaah, I'm talking about the original PROPER CSL!
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I just LOVE them!
I think these beasts look so raw. You can keep your modern- tame looking flame grilled bangled surfaces and 'I' drives. If a design is inherently "right" I don't need Bangle or Callum explaining how it's form is heavy but is dynamic blah blah and I don't think a good styled car should have to GROW on you either. I've always fancied owning one. I wanted to fit a 3.8 litre S38 M5 straight six in one (it's a relatively straight forward fit), but I guess that would be losing alot of its original appeal. Also not sure of how rigid the original shell is, it looks too elegant to look robust!
In the long term I could sell my Red 323i and perhaps stretch to one of these.....
My biggest problem would be whether to retain the original D Jetronic injection system which is reputedly not the best and well known to run rich with engine wear. But if I'm going to get a later engine- why not fit a 3.5 litre motronic lump from a seven series...but then...why not a 3.8 litre 24 valve M5 motor? Oh dear..*L*
[I hope this picture posts]
I just LOVE them!
I think these beasts look so raw. You can keep your modern- tame looking flame grilled bangled surfaces and 'I' drives. If a design is inherently "right" I don't need Bangle or Callum explaining how it's form is heavy but is dynamic blah blah and I don't think a good styled car should have to GROW on you either. I've always fancied owning one. I wanted to fit a 3.8 litre S38 M5 straight six in one (it's a relatively straight forward fit), but I guess that would be losing alot of its original appeal. Also not sure of how rigid the original shell is, it looks too elegant to look robust!
In the long term I could sell my Red 323i and perhaps stretch to one of these.....
My biggest problem would be whether to retain the original D Jetronic injection system which is reputedly not the best and well known to run rich with engine wear. But if I'm going to get a later engine- why not fit a 3.5 litre motronic lump from a seven series...but then...why not a 3.8 litre 24 valve M5 motor? Oh dear..*L*
Some more brutal racing beauties;
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>> Edited by Marquis_Rex to say I can't get the pictures up on this- I really am an amateur on this- HELP! on Friday 26th November 20:37
>> Edited by Marquis_Rex on Friday 26th November 20:38
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>> Edited by Marquis_Rex to say I can't get the pictures up on this- I really am an amateur on this- HELP! on Friday 26th November 20:37
>> Edited by Marquis_Rex on Friday 26th November 20:38
Thanks alot IOLAIRE and your comments and compliments most useful.
I know the 3.8 litre S38 has been done, but you're right I'd feel "guilty" doing this to such a fine classic machine.
I haven't started looking yet seriously, as I'm in the process of moving to a new place, but the money I have saved on the house should secure a nice Bavarian Munich legend later on.
Because I will want to use the car a bit- I think I'll look into fitting a later M30 single cam motronic engine (preferably with the higher compression ratio) and to that I'll also fit a 5 speed G-265 box. I may need to get a tailor made shorter prop.
I'll keep the original engine and box of course for originality and hope this all doesn't dent the secondhand value too much.
I don't want the car to be 'too fast'- I've learned that lesson with my Porsche 993TT, it's just SILLY for the roads- it's too fast to enjoy and pootle along reveling in the engine singing....
According to my resserch a later (post early 80s) M30 3.5 litre engine had a smaller bore and a different cylinder head gasket to get away from some porosity problems- So I'm sure i'll be able to pick up one of these easily. If the engine needs breating upon, I know alot of my M20 6 cylinder porting techniques will carry over onto the big six. May be I'll look into either a schrick cam or one of my own design.(I've played about with these designs on an E12 M535i).
The bodywork and rust is a major worry, you're right. I've heard all about Karmen on the early 6 series too.
I'm wondering just how much I MYSELF can put off by stripping out wheel arch liners- cleaning and blasting out mud and debris, wax oyling and undersealing...
I know the 3.8 litre S38 has been done, but you're right I'd feel "guilty" doing this to such a fine classic machine.
I haven't started looking yet seriously, as I'm in the process of moving to a new place, but the money I have saved on the house should secure a nice Bavarian Munich legend later on.
Because I will want to use the car a bit- I think I'll look into fitting a later M30 single cam motronic engine (preferably with the higher compression ratio) and to that I'll also fit a 5 speed G-265 box. I may need to get a tailor made shorter prop.
I'll keep the original engine and box of course for originality and hope this all doesn't dent the secondhand value too much.
I don't want the car to be 'too fast'- I've learned that lesson with my Porsche 993TT, it's just SILLY for the roads- it's too fast to enjoy and pootle along reveling in the engine singing....
According to my resserch a later (post early 80s) M30 3.5 litre engine had a smaller bore and a different cylinder head gasket to get away from some porosity problems- So I'm sure i'll be able to pick up one of these easily. If the engine needs breating upon, I know alot of my M20 6 cylinder porting techniques will carry over onto the big six. May be I'll look into either a schrick cam or one of my own design.(I've played about with these designs on an E12 M535i).
The bodywork and rust is a major worry, you're right. I've heard all about Karmen on the early 6 series too.
I'm wondering just how much I MYSELF can put off by stripping out wheel arch liners- cleaning and blasting out mud and debris, wax oyling and undersealing...
Tim, I LOVE the 930 Turbo, and was at one time considering getting one to replace my then aging 928 S4.
They're an indestructable car, very "old school-brute force" to my mind.
In the end-coming from the 928 S4 I couldn't be dealing with the lag and 4 speed box/change.
I briefly thought about a 5 speed LE.
Finally I saved and got a 993 TT, which I love, but in some ways, I miss the fact it doesn't have simple K Jetronic fuel injection ( a system I know really well and have all the diagnostic pressure kit for) and am also in fear that all the complex OBD lambda stuff will go wrong one day- you see I'm not fickle but tend to keep my cars for the long haul....
There's something very rugged and agressive about the CSL and older shark nosed BMWs in general that modern cars simply don't have. Even Porsches don't have it. American muscle has it in an uncouth way (without any of the engineering finnesse). And I also love the idea that people who see me in a CSL can pretty much only think I'm an enthusiast- and not some poseur/show off- which isn't neccassarily the case with my 993TT.
They're an indestructable car, very "old school-brute force" to my mind.
In the end-coming from the 928 S4 I couldn't be dealing with the lag and 4 speed box/change.
I briefly thought about a 5 speed LE.
Finally I saved and got a 993 TT, which I love, but in some ways, I miss the fact it doesn't have simple K Jetronic fuel injection ( a system I know really well and have all the diagnostic pressure kit for) and am also in fear that all the complex OBD lambda stuff will go wrong one day- you see I'm not fickle but tend to keep my cars for the long haul....
There's something very rugged and agressive about the CSL and older shark nosed BMWs in general that modern cars simply don't have. Even Porsches don't have it. American muscle has it in an uncouth way (without any of the engineering finnesse). And I also love the idea that people who see me in a CSL can pretty much only think I'm an enthusiast- and not some poseur/show off- which isn't neccassarily the case with my 993TT.
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