1972 Four Wheel Drive Jag

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Carsie

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932 posts

210 months

Thursday 17th February 2011
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t'internet's a wonderful thing isn't it?

Came across this this evening, thought I'd share. I thought I had my ear to the ground pretty well but I'd never heard of this project.

I've read the story of the XJS turbo four wheel drive which I guess was a development of this theme and I was aware of the Ferguson Triumph Estates along with their Stag engines ( Isle Of Man where a FF Director lived,ring a bell?)









Acknowledgements to the original poster.

lowdrag

13,026 posts

219 months

Friday 18th February 2011
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If you read the history of Tony Rolt, who won Le Mans with Duncan Hamilton, it was he who developed the 4WD system, and tried it out on a number of cars. It was fitted to several police Zodiacs, plus of course the FF.

finlo

3,839 posts

209 months

Friday 18th February 2011
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Carsie said:
t'internet's a wonderful thing isn't it?

Came across this this evening, thought I'd share. I thought I had my ear to the ground pretty well but I'd never heard of this project.

I've read the story of the XJS turbo four wheel drive which I guess was a development of this theme and I was aware of the Ferguson Triumph Estates along with their Stag engines ( Isle Of Man where a FF Director lived,ring a bell?)









Acknowledgements to the original poster.
When i had my 2.5pi i tried long and hard to buy that estate (it was laying in a builders yard)!

aeropilot

36,254 posts

233 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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lowdrag said:
If you read the history of Tony Rolt, who won Le Mans with Duncan Hamilton, it was he who developed the 4WD system, and tried it out on a number of cars. It was fitted to several police Zodiacs, plus of course the FF.
And not forgetting their original development car, a 1966 Ford Mustang, FWK 863D, which was tested by Autocar in early 1968.


lowdrag

13,026 posts

219 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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aeropilot said:
And not forgetting their original development car, a 1966 Ford Mustang, FWK 863D, which was tested by Autocar in early 1968.
Can't find that one, but the FF was tested in the 28th March 1968 by Autocar. Do you have the date?

steviejasp

1,646 posts

171 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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Thats fascinating.
Apparently they made a couple of Dodge Challengers on spaceframes too.
I know this as i was offered one when i was looking to buy a muscle car in the Eighties.
Like an idiot i didnt bother!!

richw_82

992 posts

192 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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I'm sure this car went through the Auction at Buxton not so long back. I thought it was a myth, now it appears not.

Rich

tonys

1,080 posts

229 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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Yet another fact learnt on here. I haven't blown up the article to read it yet, but I can't imagine that was the easiest engineering job in the world!
It reminded me of one of the 4-wheel drive ex-police Ford Zephyrscop that I saw once for sale in Devon, back in the 70's. It was just sat on the garage forecourt alongside the rest of their stock. I didn't realise how rare it was at the time, it was just marked up as any other used Zephyr. Had I known then what I know now.........loser

aeropilot

36,254 posts

233 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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lowdrag said:
aeropilot said:
And not forgetting their original development car, a 1966 Ford Mustang, FWK 863D, which was tested by Autocar in early 1968.
Can't find that one, but the FF was tested in the 28th March 1968 by Autocar. Do you have the date?
15th Feb 1968.

lowdrag

13,026 posts

219 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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Thanks - found it. Nice cutaway drawing of the 4WD system too. Love the comment that a big manufacturing concern could make the whole lot for £300! Those were the days.......

Pigeon

18,535 posts

252 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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It's an impressive piece of work but at the risk of sounding like a heretic I must admit I find it rather pointless, since what they've ended up with is essentially an FF with a Jaguar body on it. Now if they'd found a way to make the FF system fit and work with the Jag V12 I'd probably be making a mess in my pants and planning a bank robbery.

rudecherub

1,997 posts

172 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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Pigeon said:
It's an impressive piece of work but at the risk of sounding like a heretic I must admit I find it rather pointless, since what they've ended up with is essentially an FF with a Jaguar body on it. Now if they'd found a way to make the FF system fit and work with the Jag V12 I'd probably be making a mess in my pants and planning a bank robbery.
The later FF system used a more compact torsen diff IIRC as used in the first adapted automatic Schuler range rovers. The early FF system was massively over engineered.

That said an FF with a four door jag body doesn't sound bad. Especially if we're talking a hemi mopar motor.

aeropilot

36,254 posts

233 months

Saturday 19th February 2011
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rudecherub said:
That said an FF with a four door jag body doesn't sound bad. Especially if we're talking a hemi mopar motor.
Wasn't a HEMI, it was a 440 wedge, as was fitted in a Jensen.

16VJay

236 posts

225 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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Ferguson converted a Scimitar GTE as well, used a lengthened Coupe chassis with the front diff in front of the engine.

tonys

1,080 posts

229 months

Sunday 20th February 2011
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I obviously didn't look properly, the air filter should have given it away! And there was me thinking they'd done it to a DoubleSix. Oh well, must pay more attention in futurereadit

Carsie

Original Poster:

932 posts

210 months

Saturday 5th March 2011
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Hi again,

This Jag (Daimler) is apparently still around lurking on an SORN smile

As I said in the opening I knew who FF where and indeed who Tony Rolt was it was that I'd somehow missed this particular car.

Anyone know where it is?


richw_82

992 posts

192 months

Saturday 5th March 2011
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lindsayhbrown

173 posts

207 months

Saturday 5th March 2011
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FF Developments used to be a customer of mine back in the ninties, remember going there one day and they were testing a Mclaren, the test driver was quite happy for me to look around it, to my dismay the interior was wrecked by all the test gear which it was carrying, and I still remember how feathered the rear tyres were