Tracing old registration records (pre DVLA computer) ?
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I've an old vehicle (between 1959 and approx 1961) that was never put onto the DVLA computer records. No old tax discs, log book, insurance certificates, mot's etc as lost in a fire. It's now back to square one to try and recreate some history so armed with dating letter from owners club or whatever I can start the ball rolling to retain the original registration.
I know the vehicle was registered at Chester by plate showing SMA *** but that is as far as I've got !
I've tried Googling but so many hits that are actually related to number transfers and such I cann't narrow it down to what I need to know.
Anyone have a link to the proceedure of what I want to achieve - ie how to get copy of the original records of Chesters registration office entry and then how to use that with DVLA ?
Thanks.
Paul H.
I know the vehicle was registered at Chester by plate showing SMA *** but that is as far as I've got !
I've tried Googling but so many hits that are actually related to number transfers and such I cann't narrow it down to what I need to know.
Anyone have a link to the proceedure of what I want to achieve - ie how to get copy of the original records of Chesters registration office entry and then how to use that with DVLA ?
Thanks.
Paul H.
There is a procedure to be followed to get a V5 and retain the number on an old car, and we in the JDC have had many a success where the owner has failed. Like many clubs, we have a designated person who liaises with the DVLA on this. Whatever the make, I suggest you contact the respective owner's club and take it from there. The best of luck.
Presumably you've already submitted form V888 to the DVLA quoting the vrm and got a less than helpful response?
The relevant council should hold an archive of vehicle registration numbers which predate the DVLA. Having said that, those records will have been put onto the DVLA database when it was set up. If the vehicle hasn't had any updates, i.e. not taxed, insured or MOT'd for many years, then it may just show one line on a check of the VRM probably saying 'void' or something similar.
Start with the council records office for where you think the car was registered. An alternative might be to look for a C/F (chassis/frame) number and enquire with the owners club for the vehicle or get a definative marque history from one of the main motoring bookshops (e.g. Chaters) which may have that info.
Hope that helps,
Mark.
The relevant council should hold an archive of vehicle registration numbers which predate the DVLA. Having said that, those records will have been put onto the DVLA database when it was set up. If the vehicle hasn't had any updates, i.e. not taxed, insured or MOT'd for many years, then it may just show one line on a check of the VRM probably saying 'void' or something similar.
Start with the council records office for where you think the car was registered. An alternative might be to look for a C/F (chassis/frame) number and enquire with the owners club for the vehicle or get a definative marque history from one of the main motoring bookshops (e.g. Chaters) which may have that info.
Hope that helps,
Mark.
Thanks.
The "vehicle" is actually a Honda CB92 Benly. Original condition and VIN number identifies it as one of the first. It was suspected to be a personal import in early 60's hence probably a '59, or '60 but registered in '61 or '62.
It previously belonged to a friend who had owned it since '60's but lost all paperwork (old log book etc) in a house fire.
Hasn't been on the road for 40+ years ! In fact has been in my garage, untouched, for nearly 20 years.
Paul H
The "vehicle" is actually a Honda CB92 Benly. Original condition and VIN number identifies it as one of the first. It was suspected to be a personal import in early 60's hence probably a '59, or '60 but registered in '61 or '62.
It previously belonged to a friend who had owned it since '60's but lost all paperwork (old log book etc) in a house fire.
Hasn't been on the road for 40+ years ! In fact has been in my garage, untouched, for nearly 20 years.
Paul H
Compo - great user name.
Contact these people
http://archive.cheshire.gov.uk/dserve/DServe.exe?d...
You should be able to obtain a photo copy of the register from when the vehicle was new. Its about £3.
Contact these people
http://archive.cheshire.gov.uk/dserve/DServe.exe?d...
You should be able to obtain a photo copy of the register from when the vehicle was new. Its about £3.
Huntsman said:
Compo - great user name.
Contact these people
http://archive.cheshire.gov.uk/dserve/DServe.exe?d...
You should be able to obtain a photo copy of the register from when the vehicle was new. Its about £3.
Brillaint - just what I wanted to know Contact these people
http://archive.cheshire.gov.uk/dserve/DServe.exe?d...
You should be able to obtain a photo copy of the register from when the vehicle was new. Its about £3.
I have use the "handle" Compo from the first days of legal CB in Uk so only natural it's now my user name on forums.
No need to say what is my all time favorite program !
Paul H
Success
Yesterday rang Chester records office.
This morning they have rang back after checking what they hold and are putting certified copies in the post.
Cost is 50p for postage, £1 per item for photocopying and £5 per item to be certified so in total I've paid £12.50 (via card on phone) which I'm delighted.
FWIW registered in 1961 yet known to be older by VIN so adds to story that personal import which would have been rare then. The "story" I was told is that it was bought in Japan by a mechant seaman on his travels around the world.
Paul H
Yesterday rang Chester records office.
This morning they have rang back after checking what they hold and are putting certified copies in the post.
Cost is 50p for postage, £1 per item for photocopying and £5 per item to be certified so in total I've paid £12.50 (via card on phone) which I'm delighted.
FWIW registered in 1961 yet known to be older by VIN so adds to story that personal import which would have been rare then. The "story" I was told is that it was bought in Japan by a mechant seaman on his travels around the world.
Paul H
Compo_Simmonite said:
Success
Yesterday rang Chester records office.
This morning they have rang back after checking what they hold and are putting certified copies in the post.
Cost is 50p for postage, £1 per item for photocopying and £5 per item to be certified so in total I've paid £12.50 (via card on phone) which I'm delighted.
FWIW registered in 1961 yet known to be older by VIN so adds to story that personal import which would have been rare then. The "story" I was told is that it was bought in Japan by a mechant seaman on his travels around the world.
Paul H
Great news Compo Yesterday rang Chester records office.
This morning they have rang back after checking what they hold and are putting certified copies in the post.
Cost is 50p for postage, £1 per item for photocopying and £5 per item to be certified so in total I've paid £12.50 (via card on phone) which I'm delighted.
FWIW registered in 1961 yet known to be older by VIN so adds to story that personal import which would have been rare then. The "story" I was told is that it was bought in Japan by a mechant seaman on his travels around the world.
Paul H
If is in your garage could we have some photos please?
LordBretSinclair said:
Great news Compo
If is in your garage could we have some photos please?
Pics can be seen here -If is in your garage could we have some photos please?
http://picasaweb.google.com/101144149717296506060/...
At moment I'm having a big sort out and demolished the shed at home so it's stored in a lock-up nearby because the garage and carport are already full ! In fact the lock-up you can see in the pics with my CB400A Hondomatic just visible (along with my white '72 Range Rover bonnet after tatters tried to nick it for scrap !) now houses my '72 Austin (not Austin Healey) Sprite (plus the remains of my Volvo 1800S) with the bikes in another lock-up in the block. Costs me a fortune in rent for the two and hope weather improves so I can get new shed build and things back home.
The Smart is my everyday run around
Paul H
Edited by Compo_Simmonite on Tuesday 14th December 18:25
Edited by Compo_Simmonite on Tuesday 14th December 18:26
Great, I had a CB72 250 many years ago. When I stripped the engine I was v impressed with the quality and engineering.
It had a funny kick start arrangement however with an extra gear inside the side case. You would kick "forward" rather than back so the kick starter did not foul the rear sets. The electric starter (very rare then) did not work well with the knackered battery and I was to tight/skint to change it.
It had a funny kick start arrangement however with an extra gear inside the side case. You would kick "forward" rather than back so the kick starter did not foul the rear sets. The electric starter (very rare then) did not work well with the knackered battery and I was to tight/skint to change it.
Compo_Simmonite said:
Success
Yesterday rang Chester records office.
This morning they have rang back after checking what they hold and are putting certified copies in the post.
Cost is 50p for postage, £1 per item for photocopying and £5 per item to be certified so in total I've paid £12.50 (via card on phone) which I'm delighted.
FWIW registered in 1961 yet known to be older by VIN so adds to story that personal import which would have been rare then. The "story" I was told is that it was bought in Japan by a mechant seaman on his travels around the world.
Paul H
Great news Yesterday rang Chester records office.
This morning they have rang back after checking what they hold and are putting certified copies in the post.
Cost is 50p for postage, £1 per item for photocopying and £5 per item to be certified so in total I've paid £12.50 (via card on phone) which I'm delighted.
FWIW registered in 1961 yet known to be older by VIN so adds to story that personal import which would have been rare then. The "story" I was told is that it was bought in Japan by a mechant seaman on his travels around the world.
Paul H
Just had the same thing with our "new" Daf - had been off-road since it's first owner died in the early 70s and never transferred to the DVLA - councils only transferred records when a change of details was notified. All the forms / photos etc finally went off to the owners club today so now it's sit back and wait time.Oh and your certified copy was £2.50 cheaper than Lancs council charged us
im a little further down the process than you.
heres a hint
once you get all the documentation together, colour scan it and keep it safe.
then, go to your local dvla office and get them to check the original stuff and stamp it - they will then send it to swansea.
then when swansea loose it (and finally admit it after two months), you can re-involve the local office, who will accept copies and resend it
had i not got the local office to check the original in the first place swansea would not have accepted copies...............
useless
heres a hint
once you get all the documentation together, colour scan it and keep it safe.
then, go to your local dvla office and get them to check the original stuff and stamp it - they will then send it to swansea.
then when swansea loose it (and finally admit it after two months), you can re-involve the local office, who will accept copies and resend it
had i not got the local office to check the original in the first place swansea would not have accepted copies...............
useless
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