3 Wheelers making come back

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Jhodgkinson

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1 posts

167 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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The Morgan is back in the form of a 3 wheeler and if you don't believe me go and look at the Morgan site. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but the 3 wheeler is on it's way back it is fast and will turn heads. We need to get back to what motoring is all about enjoyment instead of being closeted in our cosy machines. Call me a fool but it is true and remember you read it here. I am happy because I am building one and it has just doubled in price IF I want to sell it. So go on have a good laugh at my expense but you will see one and want it very rare very fast and very beautiful.

Neil MG

119 posts

182 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Here's the link:

http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/sales/three_wheeler/...

Looks like it's still a way off reality (or production at least). Sure sounds like it would be fun though...

slomax

6,885 posts

198 months

Tuesday 30th November 2010
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Well, there have been an elite of people who really like the idea of three wheels but cannot afford an original Morgan. over the last 30 or 40 years there have been a LOT of kit cars that not only offer better performance than the original Morgan, but are also a lot cheaper. Here is a breif list of cars that have been produced, mostly in kit form....

my very own Lomax 223


Pembleton supersports


Tri-king


JZR


Blacjack Avion and Zero



Grinnall Scorpion


There are many many more too,
-MEV tR1ke
-Rayvolution
-DRK
-BRA
-T-Rex
-Berkeley T-60

Every year at kit car shows, new ones are being shown to the public, and the following is getting a little larger as new ones appear, and yet, as soon as Morgan says they might build one, everyone drops everything and all of a sudden wants one. It interests me greatly that this particular car has actually been in production for a while in the USA under the name ACE cyclecars, and yet, no-one seemed to notice. ACE produced the car in the US with the Harley motor under license from the Morgan Motor Co, all Morgan have done, is bought the rights back and are going to bung a Morgan badge on the front and sell at a higher price.

I know this may seem like a bit of a rant, and probably a poor one, but i don't honestly see what all of the hype is about. As a mass production vehicle, a 3 wheeler makes little sense as the width of the vehicle is determined by its track, and therefore the space it requires on the road remains largely the same.

cahami

1,248 posts

212 months

Wednesday 1st December 2010
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Excuse my ignorance but are they able to skirt around sva requirements?
As some of those with engines hanging out the front just dont seem right.
I also just dont get the concept why not 4 wheels some of them look good and would maybee sell better with 4 wheels?.

slomax

6,885 posts

198 months

Wednesday 1st December 2010
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If they are below a certain weight (i cannot remember off the top of my head) and have 3 wheels, then they have to go through an MSVA, which is similar to an SVA/IVA, but is cheaper and is not quite as stringent. They have recently redone the MSVA, which now means that all moving componants need to be covered and i also think the block itself needs to be covered unless it meets the, no sharp edges rule, where all edges need to be of a certain radius and a certain area, as per the IVA.

Some of them you can buy as 4 wheeled versions. However, this can be slightly more problematic. As they have four wheels it is more difficult to get them through the full IVA test, and it costs a lot more money for the test, and if it fails the first time, a re-test. This includes the Grinnall Scorpion 4, and the Pembleton Brooklands.





On the Lomax though, it may be possible to get it through easier, as the Lomax uses a 2CV chassis, engine, drivetrain and suspension, with no chassis modifications, you can get it classed as a car re-body, where the DVLA/VOSA will check the vehicle and give you a certificate and change the V5 to suit, the 3 wheel version does require a MSVA though as the Chassis and suspension need to be modified to convert it to a three wheel configeration.



This may sound a bit obvious, but having four wheels is the whole attraction of having three wheels. If i wanted a four wheel car i have a choice of millions, but a 3 wheeler? Thats the whole attraction. They are completely mad, and thats why i love 'em.

cahami

1,248 posts

212 months

Wednesday 1st December 2010
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Thanks for the heads up and fair play for wanting something different.
How do they handle on the limit? and i guess speed bumps woould be totally un missable
also whats the set up with driving one rear wheel from a front mounted engine?


Edited by cahami on Wednesday 1st December 02:16

dudleybloke

20,383 posts

192 months

Wednesday 1st December 2010
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can anyone remember that modern looking 3 wheeler that was released about 10 or so years ago?
i'v got memories of vbh testing it on telly but i could be wrong.

a8hex

5,830 posts

229 months

Wednesday 1st December 2010
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Wasn't that the Grinnall Scorpion?
That was certainly on the telly.


slomax

6,885 posts

198 months

Wednesday 1st December 2010
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The Lomax, Blackjacks, BRA and Pembleton are front wheel drive, ussually through 2CV gearbox. The Blackjack though, uses a VW Beetle gearbox.

All of the others are shaft driven to the rear wheel. Which makes it interesting, especially in the JZR and the like as the Moto-Guzzi engine can put out near on 120hp, through a very skinny rear wheel.

Due to the nature of 2CV suspension, some of them love speedbumps, and you tend to aim the front wheels so they hit the sentres and the rear one misses it completely. This is because the tyre and suspension have to take more abuse than the front ones.

The mid engined ones, where a motorbike is pretty much bolted underneath the body from the yolk back would also be pretty interesting as most of the weight is taken by the rear wheel, although it is a decent fat one at least. In a front engined car the heaviest bit is directly over the wheels, so i would have though it to be a bit more stable.

To drive at normal speeds they feel the same as any other car, but to reverse is a little more tricky as the rear wheel tends to want to go back in a straight line.


As for the TV question, the T-rex was deffinately on fifth gear, but i think it was Tiff Needell that tested it.


LordBretSinclair

4,294 posts

183 months

Wednesday 1st December 2010
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Hope you don't mind me using this thread to post a picture I took at Circuits des Remparts in Angouleme this September. These Morgans were going like the clappers and on the tight street circuit were as quick (and quicker) than a lot of more exotic machinery.


RW774

1,042 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd December 2010
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Looks great but of all the V twins to use they go with a Harley?? yuk

BMWChris

2,022 posts

205 months

Friday 3rd December 2010
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I remember an article in a glossy classic car mag at least 15 years ago with a Morgan racer that had evolved all its life, within the rules, I guess the VSCC ones. Anyway, running motorcyle slicks which were sticky but not the ideal profile it was as quick around a tight circuit (can't remember which one but a "proper" one) as a BTCC Sierra Cosworth. As I type this I can't believe it but I'm sure that's what it said.

mad4amanda

2,410 posts

170 months

Friday 3rd December 2010
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dudleybloke said:
can anyone remember that modern looking 3 wheeler that was released about 10 or so years ago?
i'v got memories of vbh testing it on telly but i could be wrong.
Was it the Bradsea Bullet from South Africa GSX1200f based , mind you it must be nearer 25 years ago I first saw one

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

261 months

Friday 3rd December 2010
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RW774 said:
Looks great but of all the V twins to use they go with a Harley?? yuk
Which car uses a Harley engine?

grahamw48

9,944 posts

244 months

Saturday 4th December 2010
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Make yer own.biggrin




dudleybloke

20,383 posts

192 months

Saturday 4th December 2010
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mad4amanda said:
dudleybloke said:
can anyone remember that modern looking 3 wheeler that was released about 10 or so years ago?
i'v got memories of vbh testing it on telly but i could be wrong.
Was it the Bradsea Bullet from South Africa GSX1200f based , mind you it must be nearer 25 years ago I first saw one
pretty sure it was old format top gear or early 5th gear or it could have even been penny malory on driven.

RW774

1,042 posts

229 months

Saturday 4th December 2010
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Mr2Mike said:
RW774 said:
Looks great but of all the V twins to use they go with a Harley?? yuk
Which car uses a Harley engine?
Looking on the morgan website they talk of the `screaming eagle engine` for the new 3 wheeler,which is produced by Harley Davidson.I can think of smoother V twins than this one.
The vincent 1000cc V twin engine now remanufactured and would have made it an all british car. All about costs I suppose.I wonder if they can be purchased as self build??

slomax

6,885 posts

198 months

Saturday 4th December 2010
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RW774 said:
Mr2Mike said:
RW774 said:
Looks great but of all the V twins to use they go with a Harley?? yuk
Which car uses a Harley engine?
Looking on the morgan website they talk of the `screaming eagle engine` for the new 3 wheeler,which is produced by Harley Davidson.I can think of smoother V twins than this one.
The vincent 1000cc V twin engine now remanufactured and would have made it an all british car. All about costs I suppose.I wonder if they can be purchased as self build??
One of the favourite engines amongst kit car owners of cycle cars is the big block Moto-Guzzi engines as shown in the TriKing and the Pembleton supersports in the third post. The JZR is built with the Honda CX500 or 650 engine as standard, although other engines can be fitted. These are meant to be very nice, smooth engines with good power, even though they are not very large in capacity. They are readily available too.

SKID LID

15 posts

201 months

Saturday 4th December 2010
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The V twin engine used on the vintage morgans was most likely a JAP (the name of the companys founder J A Prestwich).

a8hex

5,830 posts

229 months

Saturday 4th December 2010
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dudleybloke said:
mad4amanda said:
dudleybloke said:
can anyone remember that modern looking 3 wheeler that was released about 10 or so years ago?
i'v got memories of vbh testing it on telly but i could be wrong.
Was it the Bradsea Bullet from South Africa GSX1200f based , mind you it must be nearer 25 years ago I first saw one
pretty sure it was old format top gear or early 5th gear or it could have even been penny malory on driven.
The one I was thinking about was The Grinnall Scorpion which was on Top Gear in 199? (92 or 95 depending on which website you look) http://www.grinnallcars.com/mark-grinnall.html. This site says the video should be on YouTube, but I can't find it.