The old ‘is it a classic’ question

The old ‘is it a classic’ question

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poprock

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1,987 posts

207 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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My insurance company think it is, so that’s all that really matters to me, but …

My car’s twenty-one years old. Would any of you guys be offended if I started calling it a classic yet?

Only asking because I was about to post on the thread about whether you’ve had your classic out yet this year and stopped myself because I realise that a Porsche 944T isn’t quite in the same league of ‘classic’ as most of the metal discussed in this corner of Pistonheads.

mossco

30 posts

182 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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that is certainly a classic in my eyes without a doubt

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

196 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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poprock said:
My insurance company think it is, so that’s all that really matters to me, but …

My car’s twenty-one years old. Would any of you guys be offended if I started calling it a classic yet?

Only asking because I was about to post on the thread about whether you’ve had your classic out yet this year and stopped myself because I realise that a Porsche 944T isn’t quite in the same league of ‘classic’ as most of the metal discussed in this corner of Pistonheads.
If it's "classic" to you, that's all that should count. And anyone else's opinion, is just that "their opinion".

There isn't and never will be a definitive definition of classic cars. smile

Balmoral Green

41,635 posts

254 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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300bhp/ton said:
There isn't and never will be a definitive definition of classic cars. smile
Indeed, and age isn't really a prerequisite. Plenty of brand new cars are Classics right out of the box, and there are plenty of older cars that will never be a Classic.

crankedup

25,764 posts

249 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Maybe its an modern classic?

a8hex

5,830 posts

229 months

Monday 8th March 2010
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Most people would accept my XK150 as a classic, but according to my insurance company my daily wheels, an X300 XJ6 is a classic as long as I don't want business cover. Life's never simple.

fraxton

81 posts

189 months

Tuesday 9th March 2010
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To me a car becomes a classic the day you can't buy a new one anymore, any car out of production got to be a classic in my opinion.

BoRED S2upid

20,211 posts

246 months

Wednesday 10th March 2010
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fraxton said:
To me a car becomes a classic the day you can't buy a new one anymore, any car out of production got to be a classic in my opinion.
There has to be more to it than that! Ford made some horrible cars that are never going to be classics they are just going to be old rusty fords.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

196 months

Wednesday 10th March 2010
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BoRED S2upid said:
fraxton said:
To me a car becomes a classic the day you can't buy a new one anymore, any car out of production got to be a classic in my opinion.
There has to be more to it than that! Ford made some horrible cars that are never going to be classics they are just going to be old rusty fords.
Why?

They might not be of interest to you or a classic to you. Doesn't mean they won't be to others though.

I mean if you don't like the works of Mozart are they then any less a classic?

Or how about something more modern like a Led Zep song such as Whole Lotta Love.

But then if it's down to popularity the Spice Girls and Abba have a fair number of classics to their name also.


naffa

390 posts

204 months

Wednesday 10th March 2010
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My Audi's 15 years old but as its 1. a second car and 2. limited mileage it qualifies for classic car insurance.
Result!

JohnnyE

55 posts

180 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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naffa said:
My Audi's 15 years old but as its 1. a second car and 2. limited mileage it qualifies for classic car insurance.
Result!
Same with me - my Audi V6 Coupe is 15 and is considered 'classic' by the insurers. People have been telling me its a "future classic" for years but who knows! All I know is it costs shirt buttons to insure - and my '91 Scirocco GT2 only costs an extra £49 to add to the policy! Cant beat it.

V8 TVR

319 posts

195 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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Ditto - I was able to insure my wifes Audi under a 'classic' car insurance policy when it was only 10 years old!

RedexR

1,861 posts

220 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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I've got no problem with the 944 but I think we are seeing a "flags of convenience" situation breaking out here - similar to all the French fishing boats registering over here to get around quotas , but at the end of the day it's for the insurance companies to decide of course isn't it ?

ewenm

28,506 posts

251 months

Friday 12th March 2010
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poprock said:
My insurance company think it is, so that’s all that really matters to me, but …

My car’s twenty-one years old. Would any of you guys be offended if I started calling it a classic yet?

Only asking because I was about to post on the thread about whether you’ve had your classic out yet this year and stopped myself because I realise that a Porsche 944T isn’t quite in the same league of ‘classic’ as most of the metal discussed in this corner of Pistonheads.
Absolutely a classic.

In our disposable world, I'm expecting any car that requires an annual MOT to be classified as a classic soon wink

poprock

Original Poster:

1,987 posts

207 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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After the amount of grief my 944 threw at me in one go over the weekend, I’m certain it’s a classic.

Front wings rusted through along the bottom edge, undertray split, and exhaust tip fell off. All these were a long time coming, but I didn ’t expect them to go all at once while I was away on a long weekend with the wife and dog!

Time for one of those occasional ‘big bills’ months that only a classic car owner can smile about.

A911DOM

4,084 posts

241 months

Thursday 18th March 2010
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poprock said:
My insurance company think it is, so that’s all that really matters to me, but …

My car’s twenty-one years old. Would any of you guys be offended if I started calling it a classic yet?

Only asking because I was about to post on the thread about whether you’ve had your classic out yet this year and stopped myself because I realise that a Porsche 944T isn’t quite in the same league of ‘classic’ as most of the metal discussed in this corner of Pistonheads.
Classic status all day long in my book! thumbup

davepoth

29,395 posts

205 months

Sunday 21st March 2010
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If it's stopped depreciating and the price is creeping back up again, it's a classic.

Think about it. As a car gets older and older, it becomes less and less valuable. The bottom limit at the moment for a car that is driveable seems to be around £500. Cars will get down to that level and will then be scrapped if anything goes wrong with them, so numbers start to drop off quickly.

And then all of a sudden people look at them and go "I quite liked them when they were new, I can afford one as a second car". They buy a nice one, clean and polish it, and drive it around a bit, and a few other people have the same idea. The nice remaining examples get bought up quickly, and supply and demand being what it is the price starts to ramp up fast.

woodytype S

691 posts

243 months

Monday 22nd March 2010
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davepoth said:
If it's stopped depreciating and the price is creeping back up again, it's a classic.

Think about it. As a car gets older and older, it becomes less and less valuable. The bottom limit at the moment for a car that is driveable seems to be around £500. Cars will get down to that level and will then be scrapped if anything goes wrong with them, so numbers start to drop off quickly.

And then all of a sudden people look at them and go "I quite liked them when they were new, I can afford one as a second car". They buy a nice one, clean and polish it, and drive it around a bit, and a few other people have the same idea. The nice remaining examples get bought up quickly, and supply and demand being what it is the price starts to ramp up fast.
Well said,I totally agree.The best reply so far.

poprock

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1,987 posts

207 months

Monday 22nd March 2010
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Works for me as well.

As it happens, the 944 community seems to be right at that tipping point just now. We’re just passing the point where lots of poor examples are getting cheaper and cheaper at the same time as the good cars get more and more expensive. The variance is huge, from a rusty early model 944 at £700 up to £12–13k for a late model Turbo in great condition.

The Porsche 914 went through this about eight or nine years ago and now values have settled at the top end.

E31Shrew

5,935 posts

198 months

Monday 22nd March 2010
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My insurance company regard my 840 as a 'future classic! Wont argue though as it's only £195.00 a year to insure