After a Jaguar wide angle head or complete engine

[WDRV12]

As it says I need a wide angle head or complete wide angle engine , can be 3.4 or 3.8 not fussed but it must be a wide angle not look alike . And yes I know these are a few bob ! Here's a borrowed pic of the real deal :

[Bozwell]

why don't you just buy a new one. it will be the same price as a used one.

but you could have a word with CKL Developments as Chris usually knows of any parts for sale

01424 eight three eight two five zero.

[Bozwell]

i take it you do know you will need an inlet and exhaust manifold as well?

and if you get a 'D' engine you will need a bellhousing to match or modify the block. a 'D' block is different to a standard block.

you know your V12 engines but i don't know how much you know about the differences on a straight six.

the dry sump engine has a different front main cap to hold the drive gear for the pumps as well as a different chain arrangement due to the wide angle of the cams. although a standard chain set up can be modified to fit. the pistons are also different otherwise the compression will be too low.

just out of curiosity what is the engine destined for

oh and iv'e recently rebuilt this engine for E2A

[richw_82]

Bozwell said:

and if you get a 'D' engine you will need a bellhousing to match or modify the block. a 'D' block is different to a standard block.

How so? Most of the stuff I've read suggest they were modified standard blocks.

I love E2A, a very forgotten car. A shame nobody builds a replica of it seeing as it did it's duty at Le Mans.

[lowdrag]

Don't start me off again! I've only just recovered from the 52 Le Mans c type build! Strangely, since there ever was only one E2A, then I believe it should stay that way. Yes, I know there are loads of copies out there of XJ13, but somehow I love that old gal as she is and am so pleased that the new owner intends to keep her as she is. No smart paint job for her, nor the engine as witness Bozwell's photo. Old cars should look like old cars, not chocolate box covers.

[richw_82]

lowdrag said:

Don't start me off again! I've only just recovered from the 52 Le Mans c type build! Strangely, since there ever was only one E2A, then I believe it should stay that way. Yes, I know there are loads of copies out there of XJ13, but somehow I love that old gal as she is and am so pleased that the new owner intends to keep her as she is. No smart paint job for her, nor the engine as witness Bozwell's photo. Old cars should look like old cars, not chocolate box covers.

Probably why I like her so much! She wears the scars with pride.

I'd love to have a replica of it. I might have to ramraid the Jaguar spares day at Stoneleigh and dig out my pop rivet gun.

[lowdrag]

Getting back on track, Bozwell knows his engines better than ayone and his advice is sound. However, there is a 3.4 W/A head here at Le Mans sitting on a bench - an original one too! Not appertaining to an original car, but a spare completely rebuilt.

[a8hex]

I'd second the recommendation of Bozwell with engines. Can't wait to be able to play with mine since he fettled it. The drive home was a completely different experience to the drive there.

[Bozwell]

cheers


there is actually a replica built around an E type but it doesn't look quite right.

the engine in E2A is esentially a LWE engine with that style of dry sump but there are subtle differences. everything on this car seems to be not quite E type. for example the front upper gearbox mount looks exactly the same but a new E mount wouldn't fit so i had to repair the original mount. the frames appear to be E type except that these are one inch closer together than those on an E type. there are many other subtle differences.

we had to get special shims made for the tappet clearences as these are smaller in diameter than a standard Jaguar shim.




there are actually two types of wide angle head. a D type spec with a square plate covering the timing gear, and the E type head with a different casting on the front to take the fuel injection pump. a D type and a Lister should have the square plated head. an E head looks odd on a D type.

Edited by Bozwell on Monday 22 February 22:05

[Bozwell]

richw_82 said:

How so? Most of the stuff I've read suggest they were modified standard blocks.

they would have been a standard block but machined differently. to modify an already machined standard block can look a mess if not done correctly (i'll get pictures to show what i mean)

the front main cap will need changing for one that holds a different oil pump drive. then get the block line bored. if a wide angle E engine is purchased then the block will again require modifing to accept a different front main cap as the internals are very different and the bellhousing mounting is again different. the crank is a lot longer on a wide angle dry sump E engine so that will be no good as will the front cover if D type pumps are to be used.

and there are probably other things iv'e forgotton

[richw_82]

Bozwell,

Many thanks for the explanation! Any chance you could start a thread on E2A?

Regards,

Rich

[Bozwell]

there will be a big write up soon in one of the big mags so i'm only posting a few pictures.






did you know these are available?



there are four versions.

check international ebay

[richw_82]

Bozwell said:

there will be a big write up soon in one of the big mags so i'm only posting a few pictures.






did you know these are available?



there are four versions.

check international ebay

Awesome. I'll keep my eyes out in the magazines!

I've seen the models, but they don't look as pretty as the real thing.

Regards,

Rich

[a8hex]

Bozwell doesn't just build engines.
You want to see some of his models too.

[richw_82]

a8hex said:

Bozwell doesn't just build engines.
You want to see some of his models too.

Models don't do anything for me. Dad was in the IPMS for years and it really put me off.

[WDRV12]

Many thanks to all for your advice etc It is really appreciated. Boswell I am aware of his excellent workmanship and must say that yes we do prepare a lot of XK units but admit we rarely see wide angles nowadays.
Richard

[Bozwell]

this is E2A's 3litre engine showing the casting for the fuel injection pump. also notice how short the engine block is. it's four inches shorter than a 3.8 engine block




and this is a standard block modified to fit a D type bell housing (it has not been done by us). the dowel pin to locate the bellhousing is most important as it is there to align the gearbox to the engine. Jaguar spec is 5 thou max on runout and we quite often see these pins missing. on a D type they wear the clutch fingers in no time if the bell housing is not trued.



you still havn't said what the engine is for yet (i'm being nosey )

[richw_82]

Bozwell,

With it being a short block; would that make it similar to the other short stroke engines, like the 2.4 and the later 2.8?

Also I read in a copy of Autocar (dated around June 1960... I'd have to dig it out to be sure) That E2A's engine was using titanium rods, I was wondering if there was any truth in that given the 3 litre units habit of failing.

Regards,

Ric

[Bozwell]

possibly a similar height to a 2.4 but iv'e never had a 2.4 to measure. E2A's 3.0 block is an ally block with 3litre cast into the side

and yes the titinaium rods failed on overrun apparently.

[richw_82]

The redrilling on the engine block was probably done by Jaguar. Andew Whyte's "Jaguar Sports Racing and Works Competition Cars from 1954" states up until 11 March 1960 it had an alloy case 5 speed gearbox, which failed during testing at Lindley. The top and fourth gear selector retaining pin had broken and the dogs were damaged. Apparently, following this a four speed synchromesh unit was installed using a D-type bellhousing and release mechanism.

Engine numbers are listed as EE1301 - 10 and EE1307 - 10, but I'd guess any engine being fitted would have to be modified to suit based on what you said further up this topic.

Regards,

Ric