Discussion
If our man wants a Mark 5; that will be the CRS; Carbon Road Series, composite body,5.0 Fo Mo Co V-8 restricted to 225 hp, the interior on these cars is sadly 'sanitised' utilising switchgear from Ford Mondeo etc, though some may have received 'period' Cobra detailing following registration, as ever each to his own.. as said, Mr Leach will be the man to speak with, also www.brooklandsmotorcompany.co.uk, hth.
Paul/runt
Paul/runt
Hi Lowdrag, you're absolutely right (only reason I have a fi-glass rep is a small matter of £500k+)
It IS important to have the period detailing, engine etc, some nice modified Mk4 Lightweights from Rod Leach but the CRS doesn't do it for me, if your going for the raw experience that is 'AC Cobra' you need 400 horses..!
Paul/runt
It IS important to have the period detailing, engine etc, some nice modified Mk4 Lightweights from Rod Leach but the CRS doesn't do it for me, if your going for the raw experience that is 'AC Cobra' you need 400 horses..!
Paul/runt
a Mk V a 'proper AC'
Barry, I take it you mean 'warmed over' as opposed to 'too hot to handle',yup those 427FE make 500 ft/lbs torque, Ford rated them at less than true power output for I guess worried insurance companies?
Would hurl a Galaxie down the road, terrifyingly quick in a Cobra I imagine, make an incredible sound.
That 427 'street' without hood scoop, roll hoop or sidepipes looks pure, nice,as you say most people assume there all replicas.. then again some ask; "Is it a real one..?"
How did it feel on the road?
Paul/runt
Would hurl a Galaxie down the road, terrifyingly quick in a Cobra I imagine, make an incredible sound.
That 427 'street' without hood scoop, roll hoop or sidepipes looks pure, nice,as you say most people assume there all replicas.. then again some ask; "Is it a real one..?"
How did it feel on the road?
Paul/runt
it was supposed to have had a £20,000 engine in it. it went very well but all it did was detonate violantly so the timing had to be retarded to 19deg max advance . when it snapped the oil pump drive i took the sump off to find welds on the some of the big ends and weld on the crank (to balance it i suppose?). plus it all looked standard in there.
so it was decided to reduce the compression ratio, go for big valve ally heads (the iron heads it had on had too small a valve size for the 427. the valve sizes matched to the 390 heads . again???) mild cam and roller rockers for reliability and a decent set of conrods. the original engine tested to 10.8 to 1 compression. we were aiming for 9.8 but due to the fact we could only get a 428 crank which is a longer stroke took the engine to near enough 460 cubic inches. and a compresion ratio of 10.5 to 1. a little worred we went with it anyway.
the end result was an engine that worked very well with plenty of advance and no hint of detonation. it can be tickled along in trafic (which i did a lot of to run it in) with no hint of any hesitation or rough running. it is impossible to fault the drivability at any throttle position.
the first time i actually floored the throttle i just couldn't believe how much the aceleration had improved over the old engine. it was so shocking that i could't really believe it just happened so i tried it again!!!! it's hard to describe how insanely quick this thing is. it's scary quick. iv'e driven a tuned 289 Cobra with a Peter Knight engine and that was a walk in the park compared to the 427.
and actually they aren't bad cars to drive full stop but i wouldn't want to corner fast in one, it feels a bit unwieldy.
so it was decided to reduce the compression ratio, go for big valve ally heads (the iron heads it had on had too small a valve size for the 427. the valve sizes matched to the 390 heads . again???) mild cam and roller rockers for reliability and a decent set of conrods. the original engine tested to 10.8 to 1 compression. we were aiming for 9.8 but due to the fact we could only get a 428 crank which is a longer stroke took the engine to near enough 460 cubic inches. and a compresion ratio of 10.5 to 1. a little worred we went with it anyway.
the end result was an engine that worked very well with plenty of advance and no hint of detonation. it can be tickled along in trafic (which i did a lot of to run it in) with no hint of any hesitation or rough running. it is impossible to fault the drivability at any throttle position.
the first time i actually floored the throttle i just couldn't believe how much the aceleration had improved over the old engine. it was so shocking that i could't really believe it just happened so i tried it again!!!! it's hard to describe how insanely quick this thing is. it's scary quick. iv'e driven a tuned 289 Cobra with a Peter Knight engine and that was a walk in the park compared to the 427.
and actually they aren't bad cars to drive full stop but i wouldn't want to corner fast in one, it feels a bit unwieldy.
Thanks for sharing this with us,Ford's best engine and a legend in its own lifetime, some of course had almost Cleveland size valves,anyway that buils spec you went with makes sense for a strong motor that will make enormous torque,I couldn't afford a 427FE but was thinking along the lines of; 390FE, finally opting for 393W since
a) I like that motor too
b) Compromise of the steering as you mention, but these are after all, point &squirt machines,that was a magical era for Ford of America with the 289/302/351 and the monster FE motors,well done with that engine build and always great to hear from an AC man!
Paul
a) I like that motor too
b) Compromise of the steering as you mention, but these are after all, point &squirt machines,that was a magical era for Ford of America with the 289/302/351 and the monster FE motors,well done with that engine build and always great to hear from an AC man!
Paul
Bozwell said:
iv'e recently built a 427 Ford side oiler engine for a '66 Cobra. i can see why the 427 got the reputation they did. it is just mentally fast, and that is on a warm engine.
it is pretty much the real deal yet there are so many replicas that no one really gave it a second look.
I would definatly have given it a second look,this car is CSX3284, I would have loved some under bonnet photo`s of this 427 Cobra.it is pretty much the real deal yet there are so many replicas that no one really gave it a second look.
hurricaneharold said:
Bozwell said:
iv'e recently built a 427 Ford side oiler engine for a '66 Cobra. i can see why the 427 got the reputation they did. it is just mentally fast, and that is on a warm engine.
it is pretty much the real deal yet there are so many replicas that no one really gave it a second look.
I would definatly have given it a second look,this car is CSX3284, I would have loved some under bonnet photo`s of this 427 Cobra.it is pretty much the real deal yet there are so many replicas that no one really gave it a second look.
And if it's now got a 427, it's been re-engined too as IIRC this was a 428 car originally..?
aeropilot said:
hurricaneharold said:
Bozwell said:
iv'e recently built a 427 Ford side oiler engine for a '66 Cobra. i can see why the 427 got the reputation they did. it is just mentally fast, and that is on a warm engine.
it is pretty much the real deal yet there are so many replicas that no one really gave it a second look.
I would definatly have given it a second look,this car is CSX3284, I would have loved some under bonnet photo`s of this 427 Cobra.it is pretty much the real deal yet there are so many replicas that no one really gave it a second look.
And if it's now got a 427, it's been re-engined too as IIRC this was a 428 car originally..?
As an aside, let me testify to the engine-building ability of Bozwell. It was he who rebuilt my D-type engine and when I picked it up one of the directors advised caution with the comment that it was now a "hooligan's car". He was damned right too since I've never known a Jaguar engine so tractable yet with so much power and torque. Give the car a damp track and it's possible to spin the wheels in third.
Bozwell said:
the original engine is safely in storage.
Headers look interesting, but not keen on the look of the engine with the 'modern' black valve covers and aftermarket air filter.
I'm sure it hauls though
AndrewW-G said:
aeropilot said:
hurricaneharold said:
Bozwell said:
iv'e recently built a 427 Ford side oiler engine for a '66 Cobra. i can see why the 427 got the reputation they did. it is just mentally fast, and that is on a warm engine.
it is pretty much the real deal yet there are so many replicas that no one really gave it a second look.
I would definatly have given it a second look,this car is CSX3284, I would have loved some under bonnet photo`s of this 427 Cobra.it is pretty much the real deal yet there are so many replicas that no one really gave it a second look.
And if it's now got a 427, it's been re-engined too as IIRC this was a 428 car originally..?
Edited by hurricaneharold on Wednesday 3rd February 09:44
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