Modern AMG engine in classic Mercedes?
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Hi all, I'm planning a project on a Mercedes R107 SLC and was hoping for a little advice.
Would anyone know the feasibility of swapping the standard engine for a recent AMG engine? I'm thinking of an M113 5.5 V8.
It would be both smaller and lighter than the original V8s, so that should be a plus.
Advice in any regard would be greatly appreciated!
Would anyone know the feasibility of swapping the standard engine for a recent AMG engine? I'm thinking of an M113 5.5 V8.
It would be both smaller and lighter than the original V8s, so that should be a plus.
Advice in any regard would be greatly appreciated!
I'm not sure why you'd bother - I've always thought of R107s as sporty cruisers rather than hotrods but it might be amusing. Anyway, putting modern Merc engines into classic (older than R107s) Mers is fairly popular in Germany, maybe some of the German sites would help.
gOOD Luck and keep us informed!
gOOD Luck and keep us informed!
No point.
It would still handle like a 107. They're straight line cruisers but surely a great sleeper with some silly power!
Try http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/ for some expert help if you're serious.
I remember a 123/124 getting a big V8 transplant on there a few years back.
It would still handle like a 107. They're straight line cruisers but surely a great sleeper with some silly power!
Try http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/ for some expert help if you're serious.
I remember a 123/124 getting a big V8 transplant on there a few years back.
Thanks for the replies guys, I will have a look at the German sites but my lack of German means I'll get Pidgin English from an online translation.
I know the Yanks are fond of putting big Chevy and Ford V8 into R107s also, not what I want to do.
Really like the R107 SLC, on the basis of a handful of drives in both an SLC and an SL I found the SLC to handle noticeably better. Obviously not as well as a modern car, but I've always preferred the older Mercs pre-Nanny State traction control.
The project is to create a custom SLC, loosely based on the Mampe Lufthansa race car, one of which happens to be on sale here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/692991.htm
I don't want to create a monstrosity, but am thinking along the lines of flared wheel arches, lower profile bumpers, small wing mirrors, and of course the gold BBS alloys with fat tyres. All de-chromed and painted black.
There's something about the thought of teaming that with the sound and the power of a normally aspirated M113 engine...
I know the Yanks are fond of putting big Chevy and Ford V8 into R107s also, not what I want to do.
Really like the R107 SLC, on the basis of a handful of drives in both an SLC and an SL I found the SLC to handle noticeably better. Obviously not as well as a modern car, but I've always preferred the older Mercs pre-Nanny State traction control.
The project is to create a custom SLC, loosely based on the Mampe Lufthansa race car, one of which happens to be on sale here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/692991.htm
I don't want to create a monstrosity, but am thinking along the lines of flared wheel arches, lower profile bumpers, small wing mirrors, and of course the gold BBS alloys with fat tyres. All de-chromed and painted black.
There's something about the thought of teaming that with the sound and the power of a normally aspirated M113 engine...
I think your biggest headache will be the electrics. Yanks are easy in terms of bunging a big block motor with lots of power, its old school technology. New stuff is just to complicated. You could stick an MB 560 engine in there without too much of a problem. 300bhp standard and I am sure it could be fettled a bit.
Here are some links for you to check out, I would be bery pleased to learn how this/these projects develope.
MB forum
mechatronik
Good luck chaps
MB forum
mechatronik
Good luck chaps
Matt Jones from Practical Classics magazine has a W123 with the engine from a 560SEC inserted.
http://retrorides.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=...
http://retrorides.proboards86.com/index.cgi?board=...
)Hi Hugo, I don't have an SLC yet no, I want to make sure I've researched everything to death before I begin. I also want make sure my finances can take the project as I don't want to have to cut corners - ah, the joys of being self-employed.
I like your own SLC, very nice - how do you find it?
I like your own SLC, very nice - how do you find it?
AL V8 said:
Wasn't aware of that great website Bob, thanks a lot!
graeme36s, I take your point fully in terms of complicated engine electrics causing headaches - I was afraid of that. I have considered using a readily available 560 engine instead alright, it would make everything much easier...
I'm a big fan of the W126's 5.6 V8. It's not light but it IS relatively simple with Bosch fuel injection. The power is plenty, even in a big saloon, but it's the torque that's special. graeme36s, I take your point fully in terms of complicated engine electrics causing headaches - I was afraid of that. I have considered using a readily available 560 engine instead alright, it would make everything much easier...
The later, smaller V8s will generate more power but need their electronics to do it. I'd be inclined to forget the M-B electronics and run the engine on, say, a Motec M800.
Fair bit of detail in that link to Matt Jones' car Simes205, thanks for that.
bosscerbera you raise an interesting point regarding the ECU, and we come back again to the 560 engine. As I've said previously, if I had my ideal choice I'd use an M113 AMG V8, but I certainly wouldn't be averse to using one. The electronics headaches are what scare me the most. Love the Espada by the way!
bosscerbera you raise an interesting point regarding the ECU, and we come back again to the 560 engine. As I've said previously, if I had my ideal choice I'd use an M113 AMG V8, but I certainly wouldn't be averse to using one. The electronics headaches are what scare me the most. Love the Espada by the way!
AL V8 said:
Fair bit of detail in that link to Matt Jones' car Simes205, thanks for that.
bosscerbera you raise an interesting point regarding the ECU, and we come back again to the 560 engine. As I've said previously, if I had my ideal choice I'd use an M113 AMG V8, but I certainly wouldn't be averse to using one. The electronics headaches are what scare me the most. Love the Espada by the way!
Thanks re: Espada bosscerbera you raise an interesting point regarding the ECU, and we come back again to the 560 engine. As I've said previously, if I had my ideal choice I'd use an M113 AMG V8, but I certainly wouldn't be averse to using one. The electronics headaches are what scare me the most. Love the Espada by the way!
There are less expensive Motecs than M800s; less expensive ECUs than Motecs; but there's lots of Motec knowledge around.
I've no idea how the M-B ECU on the M113 engine works; what else it needs to work (like links to other ECUs/sensors); or what else it might control. If it were me, I'd just junk it and get back to the basics of fuel/spark control with a well-supported aftermarket/motorsport ECU. You might even find a few extra BHP from the M113 (or indeed the 560 motor!) if you optimise the mapping.
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