Ex works Healey on ebay (Le Mans & Mille Miglia)
Discussion
ettore said:
I know, it is intriguing though. If the claimed history is true it would be a cracking thing to have.
particularly at the price it had reached, I'd expect the price to shoot up. It will probably then end up on one of the big name classic car auctions with the eBay buyer making a tidy packet.What a lovely thing.
A quick Google on the reg brings up details of NOJ 392 which is also for sale;
The Ex Le Mans / Mille Miglia 1953 Works Team Lightweight
Austin Healey 100
Chassis Number: SPL225B
Build Number: AHR6
Body Number: JM 4079-6
Engine Number: IB 136876
Registration Number: NOJ 392
• Sixth Austin Healey built at Warwick, second racing car.
• 1953 Works Mille Miglia entry.
• 1953 Works Le Mans entry, twelfth overall, second in class.
• Motor and Autocar road test car.
• Roger Menadue’s personal car.
• Geoff and Margot Healey’s honeymoon car.
• Featured in all the definitive Healey books.
Reg number 1 up from the eBay auction, chassis number 1 up from the eBay auction.
Also more detaisl here;
http://www.healeyfactory.com.au/productsb/_product...
which seem to back up the claims in the auction.
ETA: bit more Le Mans secific info;
Things didn’t start well for the Healey team at Le Mans. Gordon Wilkins driving NOJ 391 back to the chateau from scrutineering was hit by a vehicle driven by a drunken French peasant. Wilkins’s wife, a passenger in the car suffered severe damage to her mouth. Luckily Stirling Moss’s father, an excellent dentist, was also at Le Mans and he carried out some brilliant repair work. NOJ 391 was seriously damaged and required a complete rebuild in time for practice, this was not helped when all the team’s mechanics were struck down with a severe gastric complaint due to a combination of French food and Napoleonic sanitation.
Things improved drastically for the Healey squad during the race. Johnny Lockett and Maurice Gatsonides drove NOJ 392 (number 34) and having completed 2,153 miles in the twenty-four hours finished in twelfth place overall and second in class. The Wilkins/Becquart driven NOJ 391 (number 33) finished fourteenth, completing 2,105 miles. NOJ 392 was timed at 118.2mph during the race, which was the thirteenth fastest time of the sixty-seven entries and averaged 89.59mph for the event.
from here;
http://www.racecar.co.uk/carsinternational/roadsto...
A quick Google on the reg brings up details of NOJ 392 which is also for sale;
The Ex Le Mans / Mille Miglia 1953 Works Team Lightweight
Austin Healey 100
Chassis Number: SPL225B
Build Number: AHR6
Body Number: JM 4079-6
Engine Number: IB 136876
Registration Number: NOJ 392
• Sixth Austin Healey built at Warwick, second racing car.
• 1953 Works Mille Miglia entry.
• 1953 Works Le Mans entry, twelfth overall, second in class.
• Motor and Autocar road test car.
• Roger Menadue’s personal car.
• Geoff and Margot Healey’s honeymoon car.
• Featured in all the definitive Healey books.
Reg number 1 up from the eBay auction, chassis number 1 up from the eBay auction.
Also more detaisl here;
http://www.healeyfactory.com.au/productsb/_product...
which seem to back up the claims in the auction.
ETA: bit more Le Mans secific info;
Things didn’t start well for the Healey team at Le Mans. Gordon Wilkins driving NOJ 391 back to the chateau from scrutineering was hit by a vehicle driven by a drunken French peasant. Wilkins’s wife, a passenger in the car suffered severe damage to her mouth. Luckily Stirling Moss’s father, an excellent dentist, was also at Le Mans and he carried out some brilliant repair work. NOJ 391 was seriously damaged and required a complete rebuild in time for practice, this was not helped when all the team’s mechanics were struck down with a severe gastric complaint due to a combination of French food and Napoleonic sanitation.
Things improved drastically for the Healey squad during the race. Johnny Lockett and Maurice Gatsonides drove NOJ 392 (number 34) and having completed 2,153 miles in the twenty-four hours finished in twelfth place overall and second in class. The Wilkins/Becquart driven NOJ 391 (number 33) finished fourteenth, completing 2,105 miles. NOJ 392 was timed at 118.2mph during the race, which was the thirteenth fastest time of the sixty-seven entries and averaged 89.59mph for the event.
from here;
http://www.racecar.co.uk/carsinternational/roadsto...
Edited by Red Firecracker on Wednesday 3rd December 15:16
ettore said:
The link above also states that NOJ 391 was subsequently turned into a 100S, which look different from the E-Bay car.
It will be interesting to follow this!
It will be intersting! It's really out of ebays league, and as someone else said I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it at Bonhams next year for an extra 100K!It will be interesting to follow this!
I'll check later about the comment on it being turned into a 100S and report back.
And it either has no reserve or it's already passed it!
Edited by john2443 on Wednesday 3rd December 15:41
Hmmmm....curioser and curioser. Have a close look at the following:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C65002
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C65002
ettore said:
Hmmmm....curioser and curioser. Have a close look at the following:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C65002
It's the same car, photoshopped to change the colour and to add the numberplate.http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C65002
The one on ebay has just been removed!
HHHmmmm! interesting.
Some of those are undoubtedly the same photos with the colouring of the car changed.
AT first glance the number plates on the eBay ad look like they are on the car the perspective all looks good, but looking closer the plates don't look they are in quite the right place. If you look at the shot of the rear number plate which is also shown on the red car you'll notice that the eBay car has the plates further out from the body of the car. Also the lighting on the plate isn't quite right.
It's a better than normal attempt though.
Hmmmmmmmmm
The eBay ad has been pulled.
Some of those are undoubtedly the same photos with the colouring of the car changed.
AT first glance the number plates on the eBay ad look like they are on the car the perspective all looks good, but looking closer the plates don't look they are in quite the right place. If you look at the shot of the rear number plate which is also shown on the red car you'll notice that the eBay car has the plates further out from the body of the car. Also the lighting on the plate isn't quite right.
It's a better than normal attempt though.
Hmmmmmmmmm
The eBay ad has been pulled.
OK, according to Bill Emerson's Healey book (which has recent photos) NOJ 391 was converted to 100S spec, hence has an oval grille in the photos, and was sold to the US in 1955 and stayed there. It was raced until 66 and remains in the US in 1966 condition.
It was in the 54 Mille Miglia as OON 440, which could mean that NOJ 391 was put on a different car - the factory did have a tendency to 'recycle' registrations! and when the original car went to the states the reg would be left behind....
The chassis number plate in the Ebay ad is correct for NOJ 391.
When I mailed the seller, he replied, so would suggest that is isn't a scam (well, not in the hijack someones identity and sell a car that you don't have sense at least).
So I don't know what it is! It could be a works car that inherited the reg...or not!
It was in the 54 Mille Miglia as OON 440, which could mean that NOJ 391 was put on a different car - the factory did have a tendency to 'recycle' registrations! and when the original car went to the states the reg would be left behind....
The chassis number plate in the Ebay ad is correct for NOJ 391.
When I mailed the seller, he replied, so would suggest that is isn't a scam (well, not in the hijack someones identity and sell a car that you don't have sense at least).
So I don't know what it is! It could be a works car that inherited the reg...or not!
john2443 said:
OK, according to Bill Emerson's Healey book (which has recent photos) NOJ 391 was converted to 100S spec, hence has an oval grille in the photos, and was sold to the US in 1955 and stayed there. It was raced until 66 and remains in the US in 1966 condition.
It was in the 54 Mille Miglia as OON 440, which could mean that NOJ 391 was put on a different car - the factory did have a tendency to 'recycle' registrations! and when the original car went to the states the reg would be left behind....
The chassis number plate in the Ebay ad is correct for NOJ 391.
When I mailed the seller, he replied, so would suggest that is isn't a scam (well, not in the hijack someones identity and sell a car that you don't have sense at least).
So I don't know what it is! It could be a works car that inherited the reg...or not!
The red, normal, Healey is the real car and the ebay ad' seems to be a particularly elaborate scam. Good effort though, got us all going!toshopping gives the game away.It was in the 54 Mille Miglia as OON 440, which could mean that NOJ 391 was put on a different car - the factory did have a tendency to 'recycle' registrations! and when the original car went to the states the reg would be left behind....
The chassis number plate in the Ebay ad is correct for NOJ 391.
When I mailed the seller, he replied, so would suggest that is isn't a scam (well, not in the hijack someones identity and sell a car that you don't have sense at least).
So I don't know what it is! It could be a works car that inherited the reg...or not!
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